Late war Bf 109 pictures source

[Oberst]

Originally Posted by Pilot

As I know RLM74 was discarded for use in 1944 and replaced by camouflage pattern 75/82.

Was this on a document? When in 1944 was it ordered to drop RLM 74? Also as this was mid 1944 or so, there were probably shortages in paint, I would assume they would use RLM 74 until it was all used up, no?

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Thanks Ferdinando for your swift answer.

Srecko, I remember well this overall RLM 70 camouflage theory; I can follow you on that point.

For the sake of completeness here are the two usable pics of Bf 109 G-10 W.Nr. 152 xxx "Gelbe 11" found at Deutsch Brod:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

Though I can see a painted over "7" showing under the "Gelbe 11", I cannot make out any contrast in the dark tonality of its seemingly monochrome camouflage... Note the shiny aspect of the paint on the surviving skins.

IMHO, W.Nr. 152 3x3 is emblematic for the camouflage of those machines: one overall RLM XX color camouflage with unpainted wings undersurfaces. Both are obvious for this machine, but also on "Gelbe 11"...

Rasmussen, any insight into which RLM color ERLA camouflaged its G-10 batches?

Thanks in advance
Marc

[veltro]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...7625208099917/

Though I can see a painted over "7" showing under the "Gelbe 11", I cannot make out any contrast in the dark tonality of its seemingly monochrome camouflage... Note the shiny aspect of the paint on the surviving skins.

FWIW, it looks as if there is a diagonal hue demarcation between the tail and the fuselage Balkenkreuz...

[Micke D]

We now know that ERLA didn't have any RLM 83, usually described as Dark green.
Is it possible to say what shades of dark paint ERLA had, when the G-10 W.Nr. 150xxx was built?
This seems a lot easier than debating and guessing about what other paints they could have used to paint them with.

[Pilot]

Interesting image Marc. It s strange what the service use can do with single top coat paintwork, bleaching from sun, wash from hand prints, fuels and oil, heat from engine... and so on, can make impressions of multi color camouflage. So even if we have single coat coat it could look as the more coat is on.

It is nice to continue in this way, maybe some findings could be find. I will search my hard drive, I think that I have download image of late war Bf109 with single top coat (but due to mess in files I can not promise anything).

Cheers

[Marc-André Haldimann]

I have the same issue, Srecko!

Am particularly looking for the b/w picture of the Grafenwöhr G-10... No chance so far.

Any of you folks do have it to share with us again?

Thanks
Marc

[Pilot]

Marc- contact me on email if this is not problem please

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Ah Ferdinando,

I see it too; my thoughts were about a bending on the fuselage, but after checking it out, I don't see any actual bend in the airframe. So you might be right;-))

Marc

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hej Micke,

Correct. I do hope Rasmussen or Charles Bavarois will shed some light on this issue...

Cheers
Marc

[veltro]

They will probably put their knowledge on paper in a not too far future, maybe teamed with an excellent author... Let's wait and see with a hint of patience.