WaST Berlin X crews losses

[John Vasco]

To provide an example of what Laurent said, the Nam Ver for Uffz. Rolf Kahl, Bordfunker in the Gruppenstab of Erprobungsgruppe 210 shows the following additional handwritten entries:
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[Tolesa]

Hello all specialists,
many thanks for all your opinions. All are very important for me, really. My reason for this topic is reasonable. I want to know truth about two places crashed airplanes. For example I have from WASt following:

Datum 17.6.1941 gegen 19 Uhr
Ort Westsite des Kupferberges bei Neustadt a. d. Tafelfichte Krs. Friedland (Isergebirge)
Ursache Unfall
Flugzeugtyp He 111 P2 A1 MS Werk-Nr. 2127
Einheit Stabstaffel KG 53
Besatzung
Abe Hans
Schormann Adolf
Janissen Peter
Schumacher Fritz


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Datum 17.6. 1941
Ort Westsite des Kupferberges bei Neustadt a. d. Tafelfichte Krs. Friedland (Isergebirge)
Ursache Unfall
Flugzeugtyp Nicht verzeichnet
Einheit 11. Staffel KG 53
Besatzung Muller Hayo
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What does it mean? Two airplanes crashed at the same place?

And second option for it?


From Gen. Qu. 6 Abt. microfilm roll 3, vol 5. Foreman 1941- Theturning point, II, p.331

the same date, the same names, specifiations of rank, the same airplane but place Reichenburg bei Dresden...

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The second accident...

From WASt:

Datum 23.12. 1942
Ort Rudolfsthal Krs. Hohenstadt March / Sudeten
Ursache Unfall
Flugzeugtyp Nicht verzeichnet
Einheit 2. Staffel Erganzungs- Fernauflkl. Gruppe
Besatzung Walendowski Siegfried



from Gen. Qu. (more infos i haven´t here now)

Ju 88 D- 2 W.Nr. 0401, 2. (F)/Erg. F.A. Gr. F2+AK, missing 23.Dec. 1942 with crew, cause unknown, location unknown. Lw. Bfh. Mitte / Deutschland
Ltn. Siegfried Walendowski (B), Gefr. Werner Redwanz (Ff), Gefr. Hasso Friedrich (Bf), Gefr. Anton Drey (Bs), Isergebirge (?)






WHERE IS TRUTH ???

Many thanks if you know more than I found with help with help from some gentlemens here on TOCH.

Regards Tolesa

[Thomas H]

Originally Posted by Tolesa

from WASt following:

Einheit Stabstaffel KG 53
Besatzung
Abe Hans
Schormann Adolf
Janissen Peter
Schumacher Fritz
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Einheit 11. Staffel KG 53
Besatzung Muller Hayo
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Heinz Kiehl loss list of KG53 confirms the above information from WASt.

Would the fuselage code (A1+MS) not sugggest that the He111 itself, of this crash, was part of the 8th Staffel?