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Old 18th February 2007, 18:24
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Re: JG54 Victories

47 ShAP KBF raid on Libua 14Dec44 lost 10 Il-2's one being Lt Col. Nelson Georgievich Stepanyan & crew (KIA). Seven other crews were also KIA.
(See www.allaces.ru ) All from attacks by FW-190's. No listing on Tony Woods list.
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Re: JG54 Victories

Overall, in this raid, 13 Il-2s were lost, they were considered both victims of FW-190 and AAA.
3 other planes (1 Yak-9 and 2 A-20s, the Bostons were both shot down by AAA) were lost on this raid, for a final total of 16 aircraft.
10 Il-2s were also damaged.
21 enemy planes were claimed shot down by soviet pilots.

All this according to "Aviatsiya VMF v Velikoi Otechestvennoi Voine".


According to John Weal's Osprey book " Jagdgeschwader 54 'Gruenherz' ", JG54 claimed 44 victories that day.
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Re: JG54 Victories

16Sep42 10:30- (Moscow)
Mayor Viktor Alexandrovich Rozhdestvenskii (KIA) (Last name translates as Christmas) 12 IAE KBF was shot down in his MiG-3 attacking a lone Ju-88 after two Bf-109's dived on him. He departed from Vystav but his crash location was Zhikharevo.

JFV 9/III by Jochen Prien

8./JG54 Lt Hans-Joachim Heyer MiG-3 (36) 09:50 PlQu. 10271
8./JG54 Uffz Arthur Stern MiG-3 (6) 09:56 PlQu. 10271

6./JG54 Fw Alfred Dettke MiG-3 (24) 10:05 PlQu 10244

I don't know which PlQu equates closer to Zhikharevo. If it's 10271 it's a over claim by by Heyer or Stern.

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Mayor Viktor Rozhdestvenskiy

Hello Nokose

I used the Luftwaffe grid location map calculator at www.gyges.dk/LUMA.xls and if I am using it correctly, which is a very big if, I got that the two claims by Heyer and Stern are closer to Zhikharevo (Zhicharevo on the map) than the claim by Dettke. Heyer's and Stern's claim are about four miles to the west and Dettke's claim is about six and a half miles north-northwest of Zhicharevo by my results. Please note that I used 36 Ost as the prefix. If anyone else would care to compare these results to those of their own it would be a nice thing as I am not very sure how to use that calculator correctly.

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Rozhdestvenskiy's crash was suppose to be close enough to Zhikharevo for the towns people to bury him. So it must have been a sharp glide down to the crash point.
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Re: JG54 Victories

22Oct42 Lake Ladoga
Source: BC/RS #3 by Bergstrom, Dikov and Antipov
German attempt to capture the island of Sukho
VVS losses: 3 Il-2 and 2 I-15

Source: The Butchers of Yu. A. The Guardsmen of the Balyic Wing by I.I. Tsapov and V.N. Konev
22Oct42 14:45-14:50 (Moscow)
11 IAP KBF
I-15 Serz Drochenko (KIA)
I-15 Serz Prokofyev (KIA)

JFV 9/III by J. Prien
2./JG54 Oblt Siegfried Graf Matuschka I-15 (24) 13:55 PlQu 1161
2./JG54 Fw Herbert Broennle I-15 (33) 13:56 PlQu 1161
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Re: JG54 Victories

Kari,
Reference Post #8 (18Feb07) for Erwin Leykauf. I looked at Tony Woods list and it doesn't have it listed as 25 Ost only 99553. If you look at 15Ost/99553 it's west of Estonia and in the Gulf of Finland area. I believe that's why they listed it to JG54. German sea convoys would have been in that area.
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Re: JG54 Victories

Hello!

15Ost99553 is over Gotska Sandön-island which is Swedish territory on Baltic Sea. It is not Gulf of Finland area. Distance from Tartu (Dorpat) some 360 km.

25Ost99553 is near Pljussa some 130 km from Tartu. Though Leykauf may have flown also from Pskov. Leykauf claimed over German 18th Army area (see attachment).

Decide yourself which one is the more likelier.

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Re: JG54 Victories

Hello Nokose,

07Apr41
Lt. Hans Beisswenger 6./JG54
17:50 Hurricane I (Ind. Esk. JKRV Kp Danio Gribic-WIA)


Captain Danilo Grbic parachuted from burning Hurricane. He was badly wounded and died couple of hours later due to blood loss. So you may change it to KIA.

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