Hawker Typhoon original id?

[Hans Nauta]

Hi Andreas and Alex,

Skip JP549 from the list, this Tiffy crashed a few miles from here and was completely destroyed.

Regards,
Hans Nauta

[Peter D Evans]

Evening all...

I too thought that on EJ956 was the only Typhoon used by the Luftwaffe. "On Special Missions" by Smith, Creek & Petrick confirms it's loss during an experimental flight from from Reinsehien on 28th July 1944 with pilot Fw.Herbert Gold losing his life.

I have no idea if the listing below will be of any use, but I thought I'd reproduce it anyway. Taken from "British Military Aircraft Serials, 1911-71" by Bruce Robertson [PSL, 1979] it may narrow down the search for the serial of this possible second Luftwaffe Typhoon...

EJ175 to EJ454 - Typhoon IB (cancelled order)

EJ900 to EK543 - 400 Typhoon IB
batches

• EJ900-934, 946-995
• EK112-154, 167-197, 208-252, 266-301, 321-348, 364-413, 425-456, 472-512, 535-543
• EJ906 was tropicalised

JP361 to JR535 - 600 Typhoon IB
batches

• JP361-408, 425-447, 480-516, 532-552, 576-614, 648-689, 723-756, 784-802, 836-861, 897-941, 961-976
• JR125-152, 183-223, 237-266, 289-338, 360-392, 426-449, 492-535
• JR210 had TR210 painted on in error

MM951 to MP203 - 800 Typhoon IB
batches

• MM951-995
• MN113-156, 169-213, 229-269, 282-325, 339-381, 396-436, 449-496, 513-556, 569-608, 623-667, 680-720, 735-779, 791-823, 851-896, 912-956, 968-999
• MP113-158, 172-203
• MN290 tropicalised
• MN235 to USA in Mar'44

PD446 to PD444 - 200 Typhoon IB
batches

• PD446-480, 492-536, 548-577, 589-623

RB192 to RB512 - 255 Typhoon IB
batches

• RB192-235, 248-289, 303-347, 361-408, 423-459, 474-512
• RB379 shipped to Russia

SW386 to SW772 - 300 Typhoon IB (deliveries from Jan'45)

If anybody as a serial number for a batch that I may have missed, perhaps they could post it in a reply and I'll look it up...

Hope it helps in one way or another...

Cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hi Guys

Looking into relevant Typhoones ALSO means we have to assume that the Germans did not make an error and that at least the digits 54 are correct

I have found the following relevant losses
JP545 shot down by fighters off Gravelines 31.7.43
JP549 crashed 1 mile north Bergen airfield 16.8.43(any photo of the crash Hans, or why are you so certain it was totally destroyed?)
JP547 glycol leak and forcelanded near Montreuil 5.10.43 (most likely candidate)
JP542 shot down by fighters, Cherbourg 24.10.43
JP548 engine failure and force landed south east Marigny 14.2.44(second most likely candidate)
MN544 shot down by flak Cap d'Antifer 11.5.44

Cheers
Stig
MN548 shot down Caen 7.7.44 (now we are getting too close to the crashdate and this one very unlikely)

[Peter D Evans]

I've also just found this possible candidate listed on the old Beuteflugzeuge website I've got archived:

JP799 - Typhoon IB - coded FM-F of 257Sq? It was shot down on 29th Jan.1944

I'll ask Patrick to confirm a source for this entry...

It's also worth finding out if the unpublished Luftwaffe Typhoon images that appeared on Ebay a few years ago had any serial visable. I'll make contact with the owner and see if he can tell us more...

Cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[Hans Nauta]

Hello Stig,

Well, I've been on the crash place (more than 20 years ago by now) of JP549 and we've only found desintegrated parts.

Apart from field research I've also a Dutch and German local report about the crash, stating that the aircraft was completely burned. Also, the pilot, P/O D. J. Webster was initially buried as unknown F/O, indicating a severe crash of the Typhoon.

Best regards,
Hans Nauta

[brewerjerry]

Hi
think this may have been covered on the old LEMB before the board crash.

0549 was possibly a typing error for JP548,
( in captured terms 0548 )

JP548
174Sq 14 feb 44 F/O B.F.Proddow, crashed Marigny.

JP548 is captioned also as T9+GK, in some articles.

One other personal theory is a typhoon could have rebuilt from bits and '549 ' donated the biggest bit or the part with a data tag. ( like a modern day rebuild...)

There is a famous photo of a bombed hangar of typhoons being rebuilt at chateaufort/( or was it chateaudun? i can't remeber which ) airfield, Nr Paris.
It was posted on the old LEMB, also photos exist of B-17's being rebuilt.
Cheers
Jerry

[kaki3152]

This is what Christopher Shores/Chris Thomas says in "The Typhoon and Tempest Story""
"The Typhoon EJ956, SA-F, was repaired by the Germans and test flown at Rechlin,later serving with Versuchsverband/Obdl...The unit also used JP548 which had force landed on the Cherbourg peninsula on February 14,1944 and a third,as yet unidentified Typhoon. EJ956 was written off for the second and last time when it turned over in a force landing near Meckelnfeld on 10 August 1944,the pilot was unhurt.JP548 crashed at Reinsehlen on 29 July 1944 killing the pilot,Fw. Gold. A captured Tempest was tested at Rechlin. "

[kurlannaiskos]

page 53 of Lend-Lease Aircraft in Russia Red Stars 4 by Carl-Frederik Geust states that Typhoon 1b EJ956 was on display at Rechlin on September 3rd 1943.
it does not state if it ever flew test flights for the Luftwaffe.

[Peter D Evans]

Originally Posted by brewerjerry

think this may have been covered on the old LEMB before the board crash.

A thread on captured Typhoons can be viewed on the LEMB via the link below Jerry:

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...?showtopic=308

This thread includes all three as yet unpublished photos of an unidentified Typhoon in Luftwaffe markings which Jan vd Heuvel has kindly allowed us to post. Jan has checked the original prints for me and no codes are visible...

cheers

Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi.

Have updated accordingly:

http://www.ahs.no/ref_db/lw_loss_pub...?lossid=117596

Regards,
Andreas B