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Old 14th February 2010, 14:18
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Bühligen Victories

Hi Craig,

The best source for the 30 January 1943 victories is BA-MA RL 7/32, which says that Bühligen claimed two Spitfires (his 40th and 41st victories), and Uffz. Schülze one Spitfire (his 2nd).

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Old 21st May 2022, 12:12
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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List

Hello Carlos,

I've compiled 112 claims for Kurt Bühligen but I haven't found the plane type he shot down of 9Jun44 yet:
4,9.40 Hurricane
11,9.40 Hurricane
26,9.40 Spitfire
30,9.40 Spitfire
1,10.40 Hurricane
7,10.40 Hurricane
7,10.40 Hurricane
7,11.40 Hurricane
1940/41 Fesselballon
10,11.40 Spitfire
28,11.40 Spitfire
21,6.41 Spitfire
21,6.41 Spitfire
21,6.41 Spitfire
7,7.41 Spitfire
10,7.41 Spitfire
10,7.41 Spitfire
11,7.41 Spitfire
23,7.41 Spitfire
23,7.41 Spitfire
7,8.41 Spitfire
12,8.41 Hurricane
16,8.41 Spitfire
19,8.41 Spitfire
21,8.41 Spitfire
26,8.41 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
19,8.42 Spitfire
4,9.42 Spitfire
3,12.42 Spitfire
18,12.42 Spitfire
26,12.42 P-38
26,12.42 P-38
4,1.43 P-40
4,1.43 B-26
8,1.43 P-38
8,1.43 P-38
8,1.43 P-38
14,1.43 P-38
21,1.43 P-40
21,1.43 P-40
28,1.43 P-38
30,1.43 Spitfire
30,1.43 Spitfire
2,2.43 P-40
2,2.43 P-40
2,2.43 P-39
2,2.43 P-40
2,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
3,2.43 Spitfire
4,2.43 Spitfire
4,2.43 Spitfire
4,2.43 Spitfire
9,2.43 P-40
9,2.43 P-40
10,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
14,2.43 Spitfire
15,2.43 P-38
15,2.43 P-38
15,2.43 P-38
8,3.43 Spitfire
8,3.43 Spitfire
12,3.43 P-38
12,3.43 P-38
12,3.43 P-38
15,5.43 P-51
17,5.43 Typhoon
1,7.43 Typhoon
4,7.43 P-47
4,7.43 Spitfire
14,7.43 Spitfire
15,7.43 Typhoon
16,7.43 Spitfire
18,7.43 Spitfire
30,7.43 B-17
30,7.43 Typhoon
17,8.43 B-17
19,8.43 Spitfire
2,9.43 P-51
6,9.43 B-17
6,9.43 B-17
6,9.43 B-17
6,9.43 B-17
8,9.43 Boston
9,9.43 Spitfire
3,10.43 Spitfire
14,10.43 B-17
26,11.43 B-17
29,1.44 P-47
5,2.44 B-24
5,2.44 P-47
24,2.44 B-17
24,2.44 B-24
25,2.44 B-17
18,3.44 B-24
28,4.44 B-17
6,6.44 P-47
7,6.44 P-47
7,6.44 P-47
9,6.44
12,6.44 P-47
5,7.44 P-47
5,7.44 P-47
5,7.44 P-51

Have a nice weekend,

Michael
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Old 23rd May 2022, 02:40
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Hello Michael

I should point out that according to Die Jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934 bis 1945 Teil 13/IV by Prien and others there is no mention of a victory claimed on 9 June 1944. The claims included in that particular publication arrive up to the three victories claimed on 5 July 1944 (102-104).

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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List

Hello Leo,

the idea that Bühligen scored on 9Jun44 is from "Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Aces of the Western Front" by John Weal p56:
"...Oberstleutnant Bühligen had been a member of the Geschwader since 1940 [...] and the 100th would be scored on 9th June 1944 north of Paris..."

May this be a typo for 7th June ?

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Old 24th May 2022, 21:14
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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List

Hello Michael,

victories 102-104 on 5 July 1944, see post #15.
In the source JFV 13/IV are listed:
6 June 1944 98
7 June 1944 99 and 100
12 June 1944 101.

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Old 25th May 2022, 11:05
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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List

Good morning Leo,

if the 9Jun claim mentioned by Weal was indeed scored on the 7th, we arrive at a score of 111 aircraft shot down (conf+unconf). Do you think Bühligen included the balloon kill that you mentioned in your Bühligen biography in his score of 112 ?

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Old 26th May 2022, 00:30
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Hello Michael

Assuming the total he is usually credited with, 112 victories on the Western Front is correct, and we now know that many previously accepted totals have been needed to be revised as new information has come to light, my hunch is that the remainder of the claims were made from July 1944 onwards. Another definite possibility is that his official total was 104 and perhaps some unconfirmed claims were included in the total of 112. I do not believe that the balloon was included in his total.

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