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Bühligen Victories
Hi Craig,
The best source for the 30 January 1943 victories is BA-MA RL 7/32, which says that Bühligen claimed two Spitfires (his 40th and 41st victories), and Uffz. Schülze one Spitfire (his 2nd). Cheers, Andrew A. |
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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List
Hello Carlos,
I've compiled 112 claims for Kurt Bühligen but I haven't found the plane type he shot down of 9Jun44 yet: 4,9.40 Hurricane 11,9.40 Hurricane 26,9.40 Spitfire 30,9.40 Spitfire 1,10.40 Hurricane 7,10.40 Hurricane 7,10.40 Hurricane 7,11.40 Hurricane 1940/41 Fesselballon 10,11.40 Spitfire 28,11.40 Spitfire 21,6.41 Spitfire 21,6.41 Spitfire 21,6.41 Spitfire 7,7.41 Spitfire 10,7.41 Spitfire 10,7.41 Spitfire 11,7.41 Spitfire 23,7.41 Spitfire 23,7.41 Spitfire 7,8.41 Spitfire 12,8.41 Hurricane 16,8.41 Spitfire 19,8.41 Spitfire 21,8.41 Spitfire 26,8.41 Spitfire 19,8.42 Spitfire 19,8.42 Spitfire 19,8.42 Spitfire 19,8.42 Spitfire 4,9.42 Spitfire 3,12.42 Spitfire 18,12.42 Spitfire 26,12.42 P-38 26,12.42 P-38 4,1.43 P-40 4,1.43 B-26 8,1.43 P-38 8,1.43 P-38 8,1.43 P-38 14,1.43 P-38 21,1.43 P-40 21,1.43 P-40 28,1.43 P-38 30,1.43 Spitfire 30,1.43 Spitfire 2,2.43 P-40 2,2.43 P-40 2,2.43 P-39 2,2.43 P-40 2,2.43 Spitfire 3,2.43 Spitfire 3,2.43 Spitfire 3,2.43 Spitfire 3,2.43 Spitfire 4,2.43 Spitfire 4,2.43 Spitfire 4,2.43 Spitfire 9,2.43 P-40 9,2.43 P-40 10,2.43 Spitfire 14,2.43 Spitfire 14,2.43 Spitfire 14,2.43 Spitfire 14,2.43 Spitfire 15,2.43 P-38 15,2.43 P-38 15,2.43 P-38 8,3.43 Spitfire 8,3.43 Spitfire 12,3.43 P-38 12,3.43 P-38 12,3.43 P-38 15,5.43 P-51 17,5.43 Typhoon 1,7.43 Typhoon 4,7.43 P-47 4,7.43 Spitfire 14,7.43 Spitfire 15,7.43 Typhoon 16,7.43 Spitfire 18,7.43 Spitfire 30,7.43 B-17 30,7.43 Typhoon 17,8.43 B-17 19,8.43 Spitfire 2,9.43 P-51 6,9.43 B-17 6,9.43 B-17 6,9.43 B-17 6,9.43 B-17 8,9.43 Boston 9,9.43 Spitfire 3,10.43 Spitfire 14,10.43 B-17 26,11.43 B-17 29,1.44 P-47 5,2.44 B-24 5,2.44 P-47 24,2.44 B-17 24,2.44 B-24 25,2.44 B-17 18,3.44 B-24 28,4.44 B-17 6,6.44 P-47 7,6.44 P-47 7,6.44 P-47 9,6.44 12,6.44 P-47 5,7.44 P-47 5,7.44 P-47 5,7.44 P-51 Have a nice weekend, Michael |
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Kurt Bühligen Abschuss List
Hello Michael
I should point out that according to Die Jagdfliegerverbände der Deutschen Luftwaffe 1934 bis 1945 Teil 13/IV by Prien and others there is no mention of a victory claimed on 9 June 1944. The claims included in that particular publication arrive up to the three victories claimed on 5 July 1944 (102-104). Horrido! Leo |
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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List
Hello Leo,
the idea that Bühligen scored on 9Jun44 is from "Focke-Wulf Fw 190 Aces of the Western Front" by John Weal p56: "...Oberstleutnant Bühligen had been a member of the Geschwader since 1940 [...] and the 100th would be scored on 9th June 1944 north of Paris..." May this be a typo for 7th June ? Cheers, Michael |
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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List
Hello Michael,
victories 102-104 on 5 July 1944, see post #15. In the source JFV 13/IV are listed: 6 June 1944 98 7 June 1944 99 and 100 12 June 1944 101. Regards Leo |
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Re: K. Buhlingen Abschuss List
Good morning Leo,
if the 9Jun claim mentioned by Weal was indeed scored on the 7th, we arrive at a score of 111 aircraft shot down (conf+unconf). Do you think Bühligen included the balloon kill that you mentioned in your Bühligen biography in his score of 112 ? Have a nice Wednesday, Michael |
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Kurt Bühligen Abschuss List
Hello Michael
Assuming the total he is usually credited with, 112 victories on the Western Front is correct, and we now know that many previously accepted totals have been needed to be revised as new information has come to light, my hunch is that the remainder of the claims were made from July 1944 onwards. Another definite possibility is that his official total was 104 and perhaps some unconfirmed claims were included in the total of 112. I do not believe that the balloon was included in his total. Horrido! Leo |
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