Using Ultra to research the Luftwaffe

[RodM]

Originally Posted by AndreasB

Hi

Does someone know the file numbers for the tabulated losses of the GAF, produced by the RAF after the war, and broken down by month and theatre?

Many thanks in advance.

All the best

Andreas

Hi Andreas,

I presume that you are meaning:

AIR 20/7709 Translations from Captured Enemy Documents : Vol. X 1942 – 1944

Luftwaffe Losses – Western Front (LF 3) May 44 VII/133
Luftwaffe Losses – Area of Luftflotte Reich May 44 VII/134
Luftwaffe Losses – Western Front Jan.-Apr. 44 VII/135
Luftwaffe Losses – Western Front Jun. 44 VII/136
Luftwaffe Losses – Area of Luftflotte Reich Jan.-Apr. 44 VII/138
Luftwaffe Losses – Area of Luftflotte Reich Jun. 44 VII/139

AIR 20/7710 Translations from Captured Enemy Documents : Vol. XI 1955 – 1956

Luftwaffe Losses – Western Front (Luftflotte 3) Sep.-Nov. 44 VII/145
Luftwaffe Losses – Norway (Luftflotte 5 West) Jul.-Nov. 44 VII/146
Luftwaffe Losses – Mediterranean (Luftflotte 2 and Lw Kommando Süd Ost) Jul.-Nov. 44 VII/147
Luftwaffe Losses – Western Front (Luftflotte 3) Sep.-Dec. 43 VII/148
Luftwaffe Losses – Luftflotte Reich Area Sep.-Dec. 43 VII/149
Luftwaffe Losses – Mediterranean Sep.-Dec. 43 VII/150
Luftwaffe Losses – Western Norway (Luftflotte 5 West) Sep.-Dec. 43 VII/151

Luftwaffe Losses – Eastern Front Sep.-Dec. 43 VII/152

AIR 20/7711 Translations from Captured Enemy Documents : Vol. XII 1956 – 1957
Luftwaffe Losses – Defence of the Reich Jun.-Aug. 43 VII/157

Cheers

Rod

[RodM]

This is a question primarily for Nick, or anyone else who has been working with the HW 5 files:

have you managed to have a look at HW 5/718 Unreported Documents 6/4/44 to 2/5/45.

For anyone that has tried to marry up the DEFE 3 signals to Allied Commands and the originating HW 5 signals for the 1944-45 period, it becomes obvious that the 'standard' bound HW 5 volumes do not contain all of the intercepted signals used as the basis of the signals to Allied Commands. In a small percentage of DEFE 3 signals and some of the T. reports, the originating information is given as 'unreported documents' and it is clear that this was a source of signals, some reasonably significant. that are not to be found in the standard volumes.

I suspect that these 'missing' signals can be found in HW 5/718, and are wondering if anyone has actually had a look at the file...

Cheers

Rod

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by RodM

This is a question primarily for Nick, or anyone else who has been working with the HW 5 files:

Have you managed to have a look at HW 5/718 Unreported Documents 6/4/44 to 2/5/45?

Cheers

Rod

Not yet but it sounds like a good plan. I'm not likely to be there before Autumn though.

[RodM]

Hi Nick,

thanks for the reply. I missed photographing it in 2008 through ignorance, but have it on my 'list' to hopefully get done this year.

Cheers

Rod

[Nick Beale]

From the BBC News website: Bletchley Park WWII archive to go online

The downside is they think it'll take three years to do the first phase.

Some more detail here of what we can look forward to from the Bletchley Park scanning project. For instance:

"… thousands of card indexes on different subject matter … In addition … there are log-books containing the original typescript of intercepted German messages … three fairly large rooms stacked floor-to-ceiling and wall-to-wall [of books and cards]."

And this from the latest Bletchley Park newsletter.

[Steve Coates]

I put in a query about a week ago concerning the manufacturers card indexes to see what might be held on a couple of my 'favourite' manufacturers. I also enquired as to the types of card indexes which might be held for the Luftwaffe but to date haven't had a response.

[Bruce Dennis]

Here are some LW decrypts covering unit strength, air combat and aircraft movement.

https://www.humyo.com/10203701/ULTRA...?a=cORSjYdtkXA

Bruce

[AndreasB]

Originally Posted by RodM

Hi Andreas,

I presume that you are meaning:[...]

Cheers

Rod

Many thanks Rod, superbly helpful. I probably mean the ones just before, since I am interested in the 1941/42 period.

Just what the doctor ordered!

Thanks again.

All the best

Andreas