Dornier 17-Z, Goodwin Sands, 26 August 1940

[edNorth]

Not wanting to hijack the thread but intersting video on Ju 88 A-1 down there. To me this appeared having VDM props and short wings. As you notice it has broken in two on impact, forward portion is inverted but tail section upright. Description of it having had wheels down seems wrong, at least one seems retracted behind wheel doors. To me this might be salvageable for some parts only. I think airframe in general is a goner due shallow waters.

[Andy Saunders]

Ed

I am not aware that this Ju 88 airframe/crew have been identified, although someone may know if it has been? Ross McNeill may know.

I seem to recall that the dive site says "August 1940", but I am not sure on what that is based. In the dark recesses of my mind I seem to recall someone who had dived it (or presumably this one?) being identified as a 18 September KG77 loss....although I have no idea what led to any such conclusion.

Unless some conclusive evidence has been found, either documentary or physical, then I suspect identification of date or details might be rather speculative. It would certainly be good to know, however!

[edNorth]

Thanks Andy. We just see if indentification will come out. Doing quick search that date I found at least seven Ju 88´s of III/KG 77 lost that day.

[Peter D Evans]

I have it on good authority that this Ju88 was not lost on the in September, but I have been asked to keep the exact date secret until further investigation of the wreck in undertaken and the results made available elsewhere... so more news soon then hopefully

Cheers
Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

[Flying_pencil]

Originally Posted by edNorth

Not wanting to hijack the thread but intersting video on Ju 88 A-1 down there.

Link to video: http://www.seadive.co.uk/projects/ju88.htm

It is not an A-1.
Either A-5 (most likly) or A-4

The aileron on A-1 goes to tip, but in this video the aileron ends before the tip.

.....
I need to back up a bit. The video does not focus enough on the key parts, such as wing tips, to be conclusive, however there is one item that is certain:

The liferaft bay shown at 2:40 is without a doubt the larger one incorporated in later 88's. This very strongly indicated it is a not an A-1.
In the A-1 image below the square between wing and tail is square. Those build later are clearly rectangular.

Ju 88A-1



Ju 88A-4 and later

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Back to the Do-17 Z original subject,

Here an interesting RAFM diving video on the wreck; thanks to Peter over on LEMB for posting it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlBKYXHSuhc

Cheers
Marc

[Phil Lloyd]

Hello all, I have just joined 12 O'Clock High and would like to dive straight in with a bit of Dornier 17 info...

There is a Do17 lying submerged offshore at Pegwell Bay, just South of Ramsgate, Kent. It made an emergency landing at low tide on the beach after attacking Manston in late August 1940 (The Battle of Britain - Then and Now has a photo)

The crew were captured, with the a/c carried seaward over the years by the action of the waves. I used to work with a chap who holidayed at the Sandwich campsite and remembers standing on the wing at low tide and how the bent propellor blades used to be visible. Whether it is still there who knows but I'm sure there must be many Dorniers which were making for France but had to ditch in the Channel.

[Phil Lloyd]

...p.s For a Ju88 restoration visit www.Ju88.net.
The only authentic A-1 I believe which was raised from a lake in Norway after it was abandoned when the Luftwaffe used the frozen surface as an airstrip in April 1940.

[Flying_pencil]

Originally Posted by Phil Lloyd

Hello all, I have just joined 12 O'Clock High and would like to dive straight in with a bit of Dornier 17 info...

There is a Do17 lying submerged offshore at Pegwell Bay, just South of Ramsgate, Kent. It made an emergency landing at low tide on the beach after attacking Manston in late August 1940 (The Battle of Britain - Then and Now has a photo)

The crew were captured, with the a/c carried seaward over the years by the action of the waves. I used to work with a chap who holidayed at the Sandwich campsite and remembers standing on the wing at low tide and how the bent propellor blades used to be visible. Whether it is still there who knows but I'm sure there must be many Dorniers which were making for France but had to ditch in the Channel.

Welcome to 12 o'clock Phil!

I am sure there are many scattered around that area, not just Do17, and not just Luftwaffe!

It would be wonderful if you can more accurate location, as it may be source of parts for the one they intend to recover. Or be in better shape.
The sands could entomb the aircraft, preserving it.

Cheers!

[Phil Lloyd]

Thanks for the welcome FP.

The wreck would be opposite what is now the Sandwich Bay Golf Course. I'll dig out the photos and try and upload them.

Back in 2003 I had the good fortune to work on a 60th Anniversary Dambusters DVD for the RAFM and worked with Ian Thirsk who is leading the recovery. A great chap, and if anyone can get it raised, he will...:-)