JU-88 ?

[SMF144]

The shadows from the flash and vibration of the camera are playing a few tricks but I would concur that it is a Ju-88.

A Halifax Graham? I only see two engines? Unless, someone was using a Manchester.

Stephen

[ChrisS]

I think it's a Halifax too. I can see a tail turret as well as four engines.

[richard.k]

The wing profile does not look like that of a Halifax. The only other aircraft with a similar wing is a B-17. They were not in service at this time unless a USAAF aircraft was part of this raid.
Richard

[Snautzer]

http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/jan44.html

Berlin: 677 aircraft - 432 Lancasters, 241 Halifaxes, 4 Mosquitos.

imo wing profile fit Halifax perfectly

see

http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/halifax5.html and http://reference.findtarget.com/sear...age%20Halifax/

[JohnnyB]

Dear gentleman,

never this is a Halifax - also not an Ju88. Note the shape of the elevator.


To compare :

Halifax silhouette

http://gb.fotolibra.com/images/previ...halifax-1.jpeg

Ju88 silhouette

http://gb.fotolibra.com/images/previ...unkers-88.jpeg


More silhouettes :

http://www.fotolibra.com/gallery/421539/germany-2/like/


Regards

JohnnyB

[richard.k]

The wing also has a similar shape of a 110. One wonders it was lining up the Lancaster that took the photo?
Richard

[RodM]

Hi Richard,

I believe it is clearly the profile of a Lancaster.

Pointers:

1. the aircraft appears to have four-engines. The vibration of the photographing aircraft, combined with a slowish shutter speed of the camera and the brightness of the cloud/haze below has meant that the engines don't record all that clearly in the image. The shadows all all four engines can be made out, with the port-inner the clearest, followed by the starboard-inner and port outer. The starboard-outer is only just visible.

2. The wing profile is that of a Lancaster. The inner engines are at the correct point on the wing - i.e. the wing leading and trailing edges converge just outward of the two inner engines, and the wing tip is rounded.

3. The horizontal stabiliser profile is that of a Lancaster. Notice the forward-swept angle of the tailing edge of the elevators, and the slight angle of the leading edge of the stabilisers. The outer tips of the stabilisers are flat and conceivably connect to the vertical fins.

4. the bulge of the rear turret can be made out.

Cheers

Rod

PS - following is a profile from the web of the Lancaster: http://d951443.u114.weberz.com/image...le_drawing.JPG

[galgos]

I've done a bit of work using Photobucket to try to enhance the aircraft, I'm not sure about the number of engines visible but the wing profile and the tailplane/elevator shape certainly looks Lancaster-ish.
Max

[brommer66]

Originally Posted by richard.k

The wing also has a similar shape of a 110. One wonders it was lining up the Lancaster that took the photo?
Richard

Interesting picture. I tend to agree with Richard; It looks very much like a ME-110, probably a nightfighter. Look at the narrow fuselage and the position of the engines relatively close to the wingroot. And I only see 2 engines. The Lanc, Halifax, Manchester and even the Ju-88 had a wider fuselage. The only British bomber it could be IMO is the Whitley, also relatively narrow fuselage, engines close to the wing root, but had deeper and bulkier wings; on top of this they would not be around over Berlin in Jan 1944, except perhaps with 100 Group Bomber Support. The rest I believe were in Coastal Command.

Greets
Jos

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by richard.k

The wing also has a similar shape of a 110. One wonders it was lining up the Lancaster that took the photo?
Richard

Hi Richard,

never a 110...