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Old 27th September 2005, 10:59
Mirek Wawrzynski Mirek Wawrzynski is offline
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Re: 8./JG 52 over Constanca 23 VI 1941?

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The probelm with claims over conatsnca 23-26 VI 1941 is that Soviets carried the most heavy attack in JUne. on 23 VI they lost 8 DB-3F + 8 SB
BTW in spite of 63. BAB =2 MTAP + 40. SB, there were also send 2 independend bombers eskadrilas (all next 25 SB) + 1 training regiment - 3 SURAP if I am right writing it. These units were aditional force attacking Rumanian costs (including Constanca too). I have written quite detaild history (as 2001) about this in my book Hurricane in Foreign Service in 2001 (the chapter about ARR Hurricanes).
Now after several yeras I am preparing upgarded version - Hurricane over Costanca and Odessa.
So the problems of 23 and 24 air comabts is strange. In both days Soviets admited to sustain losses (18 on 23 VI and 10 or 11 on 24, and on 25 there were not air intrusion on Constanca but on 26 VI was air and navy attack).
So when we talking about Horia Agarici - he climed 3 (2 confirmed victories) the next 2 Rumanian pilot add 1 each more victories on 23 VI. Ant this is all if we talkinga about Rumanian succes on 23 VI. The bombers attacked from the hight about 300o m so German flak or Rumanian A/A were not so accurate to shot down 10-12 bombers. In air comabts over Constanca A/A batteries claimed some victories but much more were on the accounts of fighter pilots (German - dominant, Rumanian less).
So it is means that something in the data are overlapping and were not correctly written (German, Rumanian or Soviet files?),
becauese Rumanian fighters could not (and they even did not make so many claims) had so many victories on 23 VI.
I can not agree Christer's point that it was done by A/A on 23 VI 1941. I think that rather somehwere in document were written wrong data and also do not think that Sovites would like to make such error like loosing 16 bombers on 23 VI and writing this with one day later.
There is a story written by one Soviet crew (DB-3F) which was shot down on 23 VI and from the Soviet crew side it looks like the bomber was attacked by Germans a group of fighter and not Rumanian.
So it looks as a very nice puzzle?

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