Archeology / identification

[gilles collaveri]

Hi Andy,

no number painted in the hatch,

I shall check tonight the dates on the 7.92mm rounds and let you know.

I shall post more pictures tomorrow.

However; the question for me is : 109 or 110 ???
(the crushed landing gear door is huge ! it does not match with a 109. And how explain the "U" shaped support if we face a 109 ?)

GC

[Andy Saunders]

Do you have a picture of the landing gear door?

I cannot see one in the photos you have posted.

However, I can see one half of the steel armour plate that sits in the Me109 fuselage just behind the cockpit. The bottom section is broken away.

Be careful with the 7.92 mm bullet heads.

Sometimes they can contain phosphorus. Be careful and keep them outdoors!

You also have the tip of one propeller blade.

You also have a tryre size: 650 x 150, I think.

[gilles collaveri]

Andy,

Here is another picture of the door (On the first batch of pictures, you can see it on the second picture, in the background).

Can't the armour plate come from a 110 ?

thanks for advice concerning the bullets.

GC

[Andy Saunders]

No, its 109 armour!

I can also see one of the little anodised hydraulic 'taps' from a 109 cockpit.

That isn't an undercarriage/landing gear door.

Looks like a section of top wing skin to me.

The question now; who was the pilot? What was the date of crash etc??

[gilles collaveri]

Hi again Andy,

I checked the size of the "door" (wing panel ?) : roughly 0.5 X 1.50 but approx because it is quite crushed. Some paint markings on in it "nicht... e.." I would then say "nicht betreten" (do not walk) thus going into your direction of wing panel more than a landing gear door.

Marking on the ammunitions:
37 P15 S 1
36 P 18 S 6
36 P 18 S 6

I suppose 36/37 is the year ?

If you want I can post more pictures of parts if it can help identify.
Which parts would be best for that ?

Date of crash/name of pilot: very good points !
I am trying to get these but it is not easy: all the elderly people have disappeared. I called the local cityhall this morning and they "may" have some more news later this week. I shall keep you posted of what I get.

Best regards.

Gilles

[Andy Saunders]

Yes, Nicht Betreten or Nicht Anfassen, perhaps?

From the dates on the munitions it would appear to be a fairly early crash.

Look for strips of alloy about 3.5 cm wide and inspect them for stamped numbers (perhaps four digits) as this could be the Werke Nummer. It looks as if you have some parts like that in the collection you have.

However, finding the W.Nr might not help greatly, especially as this seems to be an early crash and identification from the W.Nr alone could be a problem.

Do I see two coins in the debris?

I think I can also see part of the instrument panel mounted compass, but not sure.

Certainly seems you are in an area where there could be evidence to identify the pilot and/or aircraft.

[gilles collaveri]

Hi Andy,

no Wnr found on the parts. They are so crushed. The only marking I saw was "VDM" (see last picture) so this is most probably a blade portion.

See pictures herewith: if you can recognize any component ?

Yes, there are two coins but not related to Me109: Napoleon 10cts coins found on the same place.

Thanks, best regards

Gilles

[harrison987]

Hi Andy and Gilles!

These parts are 100% identifyable as Me109E



The Armour - That shape and style is only Me109 E (not F or G)

The Oval Wing Hatch - Specific to Me109 E as the were design was changed in the F

The part of large skin (indicated as the gear door) shows wing ribs that are 100% the desgn type of the Me109E.

So 100% Me109E, and not F or G.



Mike

[gilles collaveri]

thanks Mike;

now, I "only" need to find the date and the pilot's name.

I keep you posted.

Cheers.

GC

[Andy Saunders]

Having dug up a good few....I can safely concur with Mike.

Certainly a 109-E.

The 36/37 ammo is interesting, although I have found the same dates on Battle of Britain UK wrecks. I think the earliest I have seen was 1935.