Boston and P-38's claimed on 21st November 1943

[Stig Jarlevik]

Alex

I have now looked in Prien's initial effort (American translation - Schiffer) JG 53 Vol 2 and there are no mentioning in the text of any combat on Nov 21st. In Vol 3 (appendices) he states for Nov 21st
1./JG 53 Uffz Dreyer P-38 13.11H
2./JG 53 Obfw Kornatz P-38
1./JG 53 Uffz Burggraf P-38 (The date of this victory is not verified)
The book was copyrighted in 1998 while the new info from Verbanden Vol 11/II quoted above was published in 2011.

At one point Prien must have located further evidence to exclude Burggraf from the list and adding Ohletz.

At no stage has Prien had Willy Unger or Schmidtz listed in his books.
I believe he is much aware of Woods pages and also the films he quotes.
Have no explanation why they differ of course.

Cheers
Stig

[Dan Johnson]

Originally Posted by Alex Smart

Hello,
This is from the TonyWood's files

21. November 1943
Jafü Oberitalien

21.11.43 Uffz. Willy Unger: n.L. 1./JG 53 P-38F £ S.W. Fabriano: 4.200 m. 13.11 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr.382
21.11.43 Ofw. Schmidtz: n.L. 1./JG 53 P-38 £ 15 km. W. Fabriano: 4.200 m. 13.10 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr.381
21.11.43 Fw. Ohlig: n.L. 1./JG 53 P-38 £ 12 km. S.W. Fabriano: 4.200 m. 13.12 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr.388
21.11.43 Ofw. Kurt Niederhagen: 11 1./JG 77 Boston £ 3414: 3.500 m. 13.43 Film C. 2031/II Anerk: Nr.214

Supplemental Claims from Sources:
21.11.43 Uffz. Dreyer: 1 1./JG 53 P-38 £ - 13.11 Reference: JG 53 Lists f. 1681
21.11.43 Ofw. Hans Kornatz: 27 1./JG 53 P-38 £ - - Reference: JG 53 Lists f. 1681

So these claims were unfounded ?
Alex

No 38s were lost, 2-3 damaged. Seems they over claimed that day