JG5 on 26Apr42

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi

Erpr.St./K.G.30:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=153285

1.(F)/124:

http://www.aviationhistory.no/ref_db...?lossid=153340

Regards,
Andreas B

[Nokose]

Thanks Andreas.

It seems that Erpr.St/KG30 Oblt Afferbach fell victim to Kapitan Georgiy Vasilevich Gromov of the 20 GIAP (flying a "Tomahawk" in the source I'm going through and in Bykov's book a "Kittyhawk"). The gunner of the Ju 88 put up a fight before dying as Gromov's aircraft recieved numerous hits and one in the cockpit. Nothing on the fate of the other two Ju 88's lost that day.

Also on the 27Apr42 seven "Hurricanes" of the 760 IAP engaged 4 Bf 109s from the 5./JG5. The 760 IAP lost 2 "Hurricanes" and 5./JG5 claimed 3. No mention of any damaged "Hurricanes".

[Nokose]

I know this thread says the 26Apr42 but it seems like good vehicle to use for this information. On the 28Apr42 there was 8 Hurricanes of the 2 GKAP SF covering a naval landing. They encountered JG5 who were in superior numbers. The author of this article says that JG5 claimed 10 Hurricanes but in Prien's JFV 9/III has listed 13 confirmed and 1 unconfirmed. Lt Heinrich Ehrler (4.) one, Obfw Willi Pfraenger (4.) two, Uffz Rodolf Mueller (6.) four, Oblt Horst Carganico (6.) two, Oblt Hans Tetzner (6.) one & one uncofirmed, Uffz Werner Schumacher (7.) two. The losses of 2 GKAP SF were four Hurricanes shot down (with 4 KIA) and two Hurricanes shot down making emergency landings.

Kapt Aleksey Andreevich Shvedov and St. Lt. Sergey Georgievich Kurzenkov of 2 GKAP SF shot up a reconnaissance Ju-88 but didn't see it go down (thus not confirmed). Ju 88D-5 WkNr 430237 was listed as crashing in its territory. Is there a unit and pilot name for this Ju 88?

[Matti Salonen]

1942-04-28, 1.(F)/124, Ju 88D-5 Trop, 430237, G2+AH, Fl.Pl. Kirkenes, Bruchlandung infolge Bedienungsfehler. Bruch 95 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Tegtmeyer, Karl, verletzt
Beobachter Uffz Gerstner, Rolf, verletzt
Bordfunker Uffz Borowski, Siegmund, verletzt
Bordmechaniker Uffz Kraus, Leonhard, verletzt
Uffz Tegtmeyer im Lazarett am 1942-04-29 gestorben.

Matti

[yogybär]

Originally Posted by Nokose

2 GKAP SF shot up a reconnaissance Ju-88

Originally Posted by Matti Salonen

1.(F)/124, Ju 88[...] Bruchlandung infolge Bedienungsfehler

An interesting combination of reports. Just in case anyone doesn't know: "Bedienungsfehler" means pilot's error. This puts another small shadow on these Luftwaffe reports reliability.

Also the rest of this thread is very nice, thank you, guys!

[Laurent Rizzotti]

Well the problem is that there could be more than one cause for a loss.

In this case the Ju 88 may have been damaged or not by the Soviet pilot but the German authorities still judged that the main cause of the crash was "crew error", meaning that the aircraft was able to return to base and land safely, but somebody screwed up something and he was written off.

And I think that a "Bedienungsfehler" means more than a loss cause, there probably was some kind of "punishment" or sanction for the pilot if he survives.

It is at least the case in WW2 French accidents reports, almost always finishing by telling who is judged responsible (or not) and what sanction they will receive. It's the same for the RAAF and RAF accident reports I saw.

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by yogybär

This puts another small shadow on these Luftwaffe reports reliability.

... or the reliability of Soviet reports ...

[mars]

Originally Posted by Rasmussen

... or the reliability of Soviet reports ...

But in this case, Soviet did not claim this as a victory

[Nokose]

29April42 over Cape Pikshuev region
O5:30-
The Hurricanes of the 78 IAP SF flying cover engage Bf 110 of the 10.(Z)/JG5.
St. Lt. Sergey Kurzenkov claims his 5th victory a Bf 110.
Serzh. Chepurnov (couldn't find his whole name) pursues the fleeing German fighters and shoots down a Bf 110. Both kills are confirmed by Soviet pilots and the ground PVO.

17:20-
Tomahawks of the 760 IAP engage Bf 110's.
St. Lt. Gorelyshev and St. Lt. Khlobystov (again couldn't find the whole names) made a group kill on a Bf 110.

Returning to Petsamo Platz
10,(Z)/JG5
Bf 110C-4 (3528) 50% damage (unk crew)
Bf 110E-2 (2547) LN+FR 60% damage (unk crew)

[Nokose]

Wrapping up the 29Apr42 in the Cape Pikshuev region.
I-153 of the 27 IAP SF to perform ground attack and the Hurricanes of the 78 IAP SF as escort. Attacked by Bf 109s of the II and III/JG5.

Soviets claimed to have shot down 6 Bf 109. Actually III/JG5 Bf 109E (3266) 25% damage.

Oblt Horst Carganico and Obgefr Hans Doebrich claimed one I-153 each.
Obfw Willi Pfraenger three I-153
Uffz Rudolf Mueller two Hurricanes and an I-153.
Actual Soviet losses:
I-153 27 IAP SF, Serzhant Nikolay Ivanovich Kozhevnikov (KIA)
I-153 27 IAP SF Lt. Ignatiev (WIA) (Don't have his full name)
I-153 27 IAP SF Lt. Ivan Timofeevich Afanasenkov (WIA)
Hurricane 78 IAP SF, St. Lt. Nikolaev (WIA; forced landed) (Don't have his full name)

Soviet AAA got the following:
I/KG30 (one survivor out of both crews)
Ju 88 (140210)
Ju 88 (3701)