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Old 24th October 2005, 16:35
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Re: Losses due to tropical storms?

Hi Graham,
you are right, they were B-25s. I have some nice pictures of this.
I'd like to add volcanoes to my first post
Robert

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Old 24th October 2005, 18:16
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Re: Losses due to tropical storms?

There were a number of losses in the GQM reports attributable to storms on all fronts.
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Old 24th October 2005, 19:41
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Re: Losses due to tropical storms?

Don't forget the squadron of Avengers lost in "The Bermuda Triangle"...tropical weather or aliens?

The typhoon mentioned above almost cost Admiral Bill Halsey his command. Many ships were severely damaged and several lost. The concensus was, he should have sailed away from the storm's path but was negligent. That storm supposedly set a record that has never been bested: the lowest recorded atmospheric pressure: around 18 inches of mercury!
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Old 25th October 2005, 00:37
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Re: Losses due to tropical storms?

I should also have added 615 Sq RAF, caught by a tropical storm in NW India in their Spitfire Mk.VIIIs. From memory half were lost - I'll try to find the time to dig it out but it is mentioned in most SEAC histories.
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Old 25th October 2005, 08:34
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Re: Losses due to tropical storms?

'The Forgotten Fifth', by Michael John Claringbould has quite a bit of detail on USAAF losses over New Guinea and the Philipines from 1942 to 1945.

He also co-wrote a book dealing with the worst weather loss the Fifth suffered titled 'Black Sunday' . It occurred on April16, 1944. In that storm the Fifth lost 37 aircraft (a mix of fighters and bombers).

Fire in the Sky, by Eric Bergerud also devotes a whole chapter to the effects of weather in the Pacific, and how it affected both the US and Japanese air forces.
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Re: Losses due to tropical storms?

As for tropical storms/typhoons, the three worst during the war were on 13-14 Sep 1944 (E coast USA, 1 DD and several USCG ships lost, around 300 USN/USCG dead), 18 Dec 1944 (off Philippines, 3 US DD sunk, around 800 USN deads) and 3-4 Jun 1945 (again hit the Pacific Fleet, only some dead and no ship sunk but many damaged).

As for planes, weather losses were numerous during the war. The worst case for USAAF was as said before the 16 April 1944 (go on www.aerothentic.co, you will find a list of all the losses this day somewhere on the site). RAF suffered too but in its case the worst losses were suffered when fog covered England when a heavy Bomber Command returns. In at least 2 occurences (from memory one in 1941 and one during the battle of Berlin, tens of bombers and more than 100 lives were lost due to fog in one night.

In at least 3 occurences, whole fighter formations were lost due to weather:
_ the 615 Sqn over Bengal Bay
_ on Sep 1942, one Eagle Sqn (US unit in RAF) get deported by strong winds and finished over Britanny rather than England. One had turned back early, all 11 other were shot down or crashed out of fuel.
_ on 21 Oct 1944, a 7 P-47 formation flying back to its New Guinea base found a tropical storm front between it and its base and all pilots ditched. In this case all were saved the next days (whole story at
http://www.pbyrescue.com/Stories/p47_story.htm).
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Old 25th October 2005, 14:27
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Re: Losses due to tropical storms?

The 131 (Eagle) squadron story is complicated by the delays caused by the bomber formation they were escorting, and the fighter pilots' reluctance to leave their compatriots unescorted. If we were to count every aircraft lost because of incorrect headwinds (assuming we could!) the list would be very much longer.
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