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Old 12th January 2012, 18:25
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Re: Arming the Luftwaffe

Dear Richard,


Thank you for your reply. I feel the title of the book is misleading. With all due respect for the author and his hard work, I think a title like "Slave Labor and the Luftwaffe" would have been more accurate. Internal rivalries are relevant but only as a side issue. The changing war situation was the driver that brought in the SS and their labor pool from the concentration camps. The decision to add detailed case studies on a few particular aircraft seems entirely out of place.

If the title was Arming the American Soldier in World War II, I would have expected a detailed list covering what was needed, who made it, how it was delivered, including the sinking of supply ships, for example, and how increased demand drove other named companies into providing more of whatever was required.


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Old 12th January 2012, 20:46
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Dear Ed,

"Slave Labor and the Luftwaffe" would be a very inappropriate title for this book. Much of the book does not deal with the use of slave labor. The book does, however, focus heavily on the lack of available manpower and the various efforts to fill the gap, with slave labor being the last resort.

As for choosing the He 162 for his case study, Uziel's choice can be understood from the standpoint that it represented the final refinement in aircraft development and production management. Now, the use of the word "refinement" is somewhat misleading. If, for instance, this was not a wartime situation and Germany had the luxury to constantly improve the efficiency of its manufacturing methods, which is really what is going on in the world today, then his choice would be fitting. However, the whole cycle for the He 162 began about Sept. 1944 and the compression of the cycle was more a result of Germany's desperate situation. Planning for its mass production began long before the first test aircraft flew, meaning that modifications were constantly taking place in the production process, including retrofitting. It was a good example of how things were set up with limited resources in time, people, materiel, and transportation, although it appears that this and the entire production industry suffered from the collapsing transportation network.

The Me 262 might have been a better choice for illustration, although, while its gestation was rather long, it, too, entered service with much yet to be worked out.

As an aside, the work reported here reminds me of the movie "Monty Python and the Holy Grail." In the movie, one of the Pythons in battle loses one limb after another, but continues to fight on, done so from a humorous standpoint. It was not so humorous for Germany, but the parallel is dead on. Germany's situation also parallels another movie from the early 1950's, "This Island Earth". Here, visitors from another planet try to enlist the aid of earth scientists to help them prevent the loss of their planet to an opponent. After establishing the premise and setting up a base here on earth, and urgent message comes from their home planet to come quickly, as the situation has become critical. The ship with the earth scientists arrives, but it is too late, as the visitor's planet is at the same stage of its war as Germany was in early May 1945. The crew of the ship does the honorable thing and returns the scientists to earth, their cause lost. The scenes of the losing war parallel what we have seen in newsreel footage of the last days of the Reich. The book intimately gives you the feel of the decline and desperate efforts to ward off the inevitable.

I would suggest that you buy the book, read it, then come back with your assessment. I've done my best to try to give everyone a decent idea as to what the book is about.

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Richard
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Old 12th January 2012, 21:34
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Re: Arming the Luftwaffe

Dear Richard,


I would not buy this book since it does not focus on the technical and manufacturing aspects I asked about earlier. For example, the luftwaffe leadership gave proposals to potential manufacturers late in the war for aircraft with specific characteristics such as range and and bomb load. It was also apparent that some manufacturers felt that proposals that used fewer strategic materials and wood, plus designs that would require fewer man-hours and unskilled workers, would be looked upon more favorably. There is also the issue of dispersal of production by the Germans.

It goes without saying that the Germans were in a desperate situation and their engineers and scientists simply kept on working. I think the United States would have done the same if it were in Germany's situation.


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Old 13th January 2012, 00:37
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Re: Arming the Luftwaffe

Dear Ed,

Some of the points you mention are, indeed, covered. As the book notes, the industry went from skilled labor to essentially unskilled labor and had to accomodate production because of this change. The hopes with utilizing contract labor were that some skill levels could still be brought to the tasks at hand. Even with the use of slave labor, initial efforts were focused on trying to go with those inmates that possessed skills.

Germany's conflicting goals of increased production and eliminating the Jews resulted, to a great extent, in treating concentration camp inmates as expendable resources, denying them adequate sustenance and care, literally working them to death. Add to this the brutality of their SS guards and Germany chewed up the one resource that they really needed. It was a classic case of cutting off your nose to spite your face, a self-inflicted wound.

I found the book full of insight. Whether you want to spend the $45 to gain a basic understanding of the background to production of all those aircraft is up to you. I find it all fascinating. My view is I want to get beyond just X number of aircraft A produced and understand the background behind the numbers. Was the effort, in retrospect, worth it? Did Germany fail to address issues that could have made a meaningful difference? How did the war in the east affect the aviation industry? How did Allied strategy affect German planning?

What if, trying to project the potential ramifications of its planned actions, Germany would have chosen different objectives that might have resulted in a different outcome? In reading the book, you get an armchair view of where mistakes were made. That's not to say they weren't going to make them anyway, but you do develop a much better understanding of how they ended up losing the war.

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Old 13th January 2012, 01:35
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Dear Richard,


I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the book. Certainly, a subject like this needs to be covered. I will just bring up one point: It's one thing working slave labor to death digging tunnels. The skill required to use a pickax cannot be compared to riveting or wiring or welding. Aircraft are tested before leaving the plant. All pilots need to make sure their instruments are working prior to takeoff - their lives are at stake. Sure, I suppose you could just take the prisoner who did a bad job out to be shot with the next one brought in to replace him. In any case, there were many factors that led to the capitulation.


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Ed
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Re: Arming the Luftwaffe

Dear Ed,

Slave labor was used on the production lines, not just in using pick axes.

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