Jonny Fest - comrade of Heinz Knoke mentioned in "I Flew For the Fuehrer"

[ahafan]

Originally Posted by Johannes

Hi, so officially Knoke was a Nazi! Seems that Nazi's were particulary liable to fraudulent claims if as suggested Nowotny was, and Dickfeld was a Nazi until his death aged 99, and his I would say were suspect! With Knoke I think he did not make fraudulent claims, more he exagerated post war his totals, his book lists 33, so I guess we must assume that is what he claimed un-officially, though his book contradicts as on page 184 he states fifty-two shoot downs, his log-book survive's, but this seems to come purely from his own lips, with no supporting evidence. Generally Jg1/Jg11 were pretty honest. I also think that Nazi's got more than there share of decorations, if Knoke had only fifteen confirmations, even his thirteen viermots wouldn't generally warrant the Ritterkreuz, and his Deutsches Kreuz in Gold is not recorded in the book on the subject......but neither is Hermann Graf's, and both are known to have worn them!

Regards

Johannes

Joh-get some help' BADLY- everytime you open your mouth on any pilots from the Reich -are NAZIS.NAZIS...FRAUDS...
well you and most here did not know any of them..
who are we to say who was A NAZI-and Wikipedo his not accurate;
and get a life''badly...oh-you have ;I forgot...


Sharon-who has a life today living..try it..everyone...

[ClinA-78]

You seem to know fairly well Helmut's life

[GMichalski]

hi,
i think first there are german pilots, not all were nazis, like history channel....
About the claims .. some squadrons had bad reputation and some pilots also, now it is possible to verify that cuestion, JG5 overclaims i think 3:1 or + but others are more reliable like JG77 or JG26 not all are liars....

Also other pilots of other countries are liars...see the list of
reliable and overclaimers....

we only speak here about pilots that in and after 2ww were in the right-wing political extremists, luckily there are fewer than I thought with hollywood movies over the years, so I recommend movies like Stalingrad.......

i think it´s not good to discuss political thoughts.....
here in Spain many republicans could not return to Spain until Franco died,
more than 30 years later, i do not understand how people here can defend Franco after all that is known....but i said in Galicia where i live my great uncle would play fight on the side of that dictator, because either they do or they are killed like Republicans, anarchists and communists....
and i say no more
regards

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by ahafan

I give up..
Sharon

Don't give up, just try to calm down a little before posting. And please remember that a post consisting mostly of capital letters is like constantly shouting at people — the conversation's much more pleasant if you don't do it.

[ahafan]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

Don't give up, just try to calm down a little before posting. And please remember that a post consisting mostly of capital letters is like constantly shouting at people — the conversation's much more pleasant if you don't do it.

well you try and explain the info- on what i read, i was not shouting-makin out what was what i read..
why do you follow me an keep making remarks
sharon

[ahafan]

Originally Posted by GMichalski

hi,
i read some months ago the book of Knoke...
you know more german aces in the same politics direction...
regards

Hello'
sorry about the post on pilots..its was just my Wit''below -it was a mere joke;as some Authors can't just know from Adam...
No offence..but the board does have Many Nutters on- Nazis..it his when some do research on bombers -germans..and rebukes me..
Baffled ?
sharon

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by ahafan

why do you follow me and keep making remarks
sharon

Because I'm a moderator on this board. I'm supposed to step in if I think a discussion is becoming too heated.

[ahafan]

Originally Posted by GMichalski

hi,
i think first there are german pilots, not all were nazis, like history channel....
About the claims .. some squadrons had bad reputation and some pilots also, now it is possible to verify that cuestion, JG5 overclaims i think 3:1 or + but others are more reliable like JG77 or JG26 not all are liars....

Also other pilots of other countries are liars...see the list of
reliable and overclaimers....

we only speak here about pilots that in and after 2ww were in the right-wing political extremists, luckily there are fewer than I thought with hollywood movies over the years, so I recommend movies like Stalingrad.......

i think it´s not good to discuss political thoughts.....
here in Spain many republicans could not return to Spain until Franco died,
more than 30 years later, i do not understand how people here can defend Franco after all that is known....but i said in Galicia where i live my great uncle would play fight on the side of that dictator, because either they do or they are killed like Republicans, anarchists and communists....
and i say no more
regards

hello'
yes hollywood his mainly to blame-just checkout the tuskergee film out
and that film'from 1947-(fighter sqn-) All Nazis-sorry'that was what was put in the film regarding all german flyers in the movie;..
I was young boy' my father had german POWs germans-they worked for us in our works-than go to fight with hitlers armys.as they said to my father''we rather be a POW-
No' not All the german armys were politicallly minded..say luftwaffe 10% had them..but i know nothing..as some do here, and they do reserch on germans bombers too. as A full time hobby..?
sharon

[ahafan]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

Because I'm a moderator on this board. I'm supposed to step in if I think a discussion is becoming too heated.

oh -ok- I was not aware i was makin trouble.. its ok if my memory from the sticky; the 4th line down the rules on politics..
by ruy Horta.
I follow some do not..then why do you not stop that then..
sharon

[ahafan]

Originally Posted by ClinA-78

You seem to know fairly well Helmut's life

well he was not a Nxxx,lol read his bio-book.i read loads of aces books ..but Wick was my hero-an handsome..balding;
chow sharon