Shot Down Me 109?

[NUPPOL]

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...c=122211&st=20

[ouidjat]

This one is not a new picture but thanks again for the time you did past, and the links you gave us.

Cheers, Franck.

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hallo Nuppol,

That's what can be said according to the photo:

Bf 109 G-6 or G-14 W.Nr. unknown "Rote 10", III./JG 3, France, Summer 1944.

Any addition s to when and where most welcome;-))

Cheers
Marc

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by Marc-André Haldimann

Bf 109 G-6 or G-14 W.Nr. unknown "Rote 10", III./JG 3, France, Summer 1944.

Any addition s to when and where most welcome;-))

Cheers
Marc

More likely it's a Bf 109 G-6 of IV./JG 3 in Italy in late 1943.

Most of the Bf 109s with the red spot and “double wave” marking were found in Lecce/San Donato but another in Cassano (probably Punta Cassano, SE of Lecce) also carried the emblem of JG 3 “Udet.” The only JG 3 Gruppe to see service in the Italian campaign (as far as I remember) was the IV. The red spot is mentioned on aircraft with black tactical numbers—i.e. those of 11./JG 3—but not the ones with white or yellow numbers (10. and 12. Staffeln).

The machine at Cassano was Bf 109 G-6/trop. W.Nr. 18724, Black 13 + red spot on white band. It carried the JG 3 Crest and its St.Kz. was CN+VA.

Other aircraft are described as having the red spot on the white band and then the "wave" Gruppe marking. I don't currently have a matching wreck report for black 10, only a "10" (no colour stated) dismantled and looted at Foggia, this was 18645 and carried the wave marking but no mention of a band, crest or red spot.

[ouidjat]

Thank you Marc and Nick...

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Nick,

Many thanks for your thorough analysis; it is much appreciated!
Marc

[Nick Beale]

I think I've found the right aircraft now. It was found at Pietravairano Caserta. By the time the report was compiled, it was described as "crashed, burnt, looted."

Bf 109 G-6, W.Nr. 18733.
Markings on fuselage "10 + red dot on white band followed by white"

The last word is missing but I'd guess it was intended to be a drawing of the wave marking.

The engine was DB 605 No. 01100200


(Source: National Archives AIR40/2160)

[Marc-André Haldimann]

Hooray!!!

Great job Nick, another 109 get's it W.Nr. back... Still some 20'000+ waiting for that;-))

Joke apart, many thanks again
Sincerely
Marc

[ouidjat]

I kowtow!!!!

Cheers, Franck.

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Nick Beale

More likely it's a Bf 109 G-6 of IV./JG 3 in Italy in late 1943.

Most of the Bf 109s with the red spot and “double wave” marking were found in Lecce/San Donato but another in Cassano (probably Punta Cassano, SE of Lecce) also carried the emblem of JG 3 “Udet.” The only JG 3 Gruppe to see service in the Italian campaign (as far as I remember) was the IV. The red spot is mentioned on aircraft with black tactical numbers—i.e. those of 11./JG 3—but not the ones with white or yellow numbers (10. and 12. Staffeln).

The machine at Cassano was Bf 109 G-6/trop. W.Nr. 18724, Black 13 + red spot on white band. It carried the JG 3 Crest and its St.Kz. was CN+VA.

Other aircraft are described as having the red spot on the white band and then the "wave" Gruppe marking. I don't currently have a matching wreck report for black 10, only a "10" (no colour stated) dismantled and looted at Foggia, this was 18645 and carried the wave marking but no mention of a band, crest or red spot.

Hi Guys, Hi Nick, Hi Marc,

Marc did put two others photographies concerning that "Red Doted unit":
One new http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream
One old (well let's say a double ... see my comment under)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

and a well known one http://www.flickr.com/photos/2809206...in/photostream

My concern has to do with that last one, more particularly with Marc comment: "Notice the red dot under the JG 3 emblem, sign for the II Gruppe of this unit."

Is there a relation between that II./JG 3 red dot and the previous???
I mean, does this red dot under emblem really belong to II./JG 3??

Thanks for your answers.

Regards, Franck.