Lancaster R5679 shot down 25th September 1942

[John Manrho]

Mike,

Checked the Flugbuch but it runs only to 14.8.1942. In 2006 I discussed all claims of Elstermann with Winfried Bock and at that time we came to the conclusion that the claim of 25.09.1942 was an error and that this claim did not exist.

Regards,

John

[beachcomber]

Many thanks for looking into this, any information how ever small (and I and others have gathered a lot) to compile a time map of events is helpful. I can cross reference all information I receive. We have many ground witness accounts so we are able to create the flight path. One note of interest the rear gunner of this aircraft was my distant cousin he was the only crew member to leave the aircraft although he was too low to deploy his parachute and landed in the back garden of the Inn in Gronhoj.

Regards
Mike

[beachcomber]

Another question can anyone confirm the aircraft type that would have been used by Elstermann or Brandes it was thought it could have been JU88's but I don't think they had changed over by September 25th and the most likely it seems to be that they would be equipped with Bf 110. Can anyone confirm?

[ju55dk]

I have checked the Nonnemacher list, and the entry about Elstermann is in the list. So it must be one of the inbuilt faults.
Brandes was flying either Do 217 or Ju 88.

Junker

[Theo Boiten]

Hello and good morning chaps,

A quick reply -yes I got the claims details from the Nonnenmacher listing. Both Rod and I have been very busy over the past few years sieving out hundreds of 'suspect' or even downright falsified claims from the original Nonnenmacher listings, by the use of many dozens of new Nachtjagd Flugbücher, Leistungsbücher, Abschussmeldungen, Gefechtsberichte etc etc etc that we have mostly obtained from private collections. It's a painstaking and very time consuming business, but in the end -in 2015, with the 4-volume 2nd edition of the NJWD- we hope to present a much more accurate picture than we were able to do with the first (2 volume) edition of the NJWD in 2008.

John, I'll send you a PM re the Elstermann claims.

Cheers, Theo

[beachcomber]

Hello Theo - thank you for posting if you do find any other information to do with this engagement could also pm me your findings, I will pass them on also to David Geddes, R5679's pilot Lewis Morrison's newphew.

Regards
Mike