Otto Hintze II./ZG 1

[ouidjat]

Good morning Gentlemen,

I need to know a little bit more about his career please.
We can find something here: but not enough.
http://aircrewremembered.com/Kracker...anPilotsH.html

In an article published in a French review (don't have the name) it is said that his plane, a Bf 109 E Stab II./ZG 1, was damaged in aerial combat on 1 of September 1939 during the Polish campaign.
In the mean time KRACKER writes that "we" have his logbook from 9/38.
I'm surprised that ZG 1 is not mentioned in unit's list he flew.

More, the author, in French review, attributes to this pilot the plane bearing a Winkel and the small dragon emblem we can find in Prien JFV Teil 2.
...

Do you have an explanation for this?

Regards, Franck.

[ju55dk]

Take a look here.

http://www.ww2.dk/Lw%20Offz%20-%20G-K%20-%202013.pdf

Junker

[ouidjat]

Thanks Junker.

I hope "they" didn't take that French review as source!!

What about the plane with dragon?

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4116 No apparent dragon but something on cowling.
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=573 another adjudant with no dragon!
Both planes upper can be found in Jagdwaffe Vol.1 Sect.3 (different photos)

So, at least two different adjudant's plane, if not three in very short period.

Regards, Franck.

PS: It's written col. J. Vasco! OUR J. Vasco? OK I change the title of this thread then.

[ju55dk]

Take a carefull look about the sources for this listing of LW officers.
http://www.ww2.dk/Lw%20Offz%20-%20In...20-%202013.pdf

The cracker site, and others are far from beeing in the same class.
Junker

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by ju55dk

Take a look here.

http://www.ww2.dk/Lw%20Offz%20-%20G-K%20-%202013.pdf

Junker

There are a couple of errors in the link you have posted:
1. Hintze was flying a 109, not a Ju 87, when he was hit by his own wingman's fire on 1st June 1940.
2. Hintze was never Gruppenkommandeur of Erprobungsgruppe 210 from 6th October 1940. His 3. Staffel was transferred to fly Jabo sorties with the 109s of II./LG 2, as rear Staffel in their formation (which pissed Hintze off royally!), so he was in no position to carry out Gruppenkommandeur duties with Erpr. Gr. 210 in that period. The 110s of Erpr. Gr. 210 were led in the air at that time by Wolfgang Schenck, and when Lessmann was posted in on 1st November, Schenck continued to lead Erpr. Gr. 210 in the air with Lessmann as his No. 2, as Lessmann had no experience in Jabo tactics in the 110 and therefore allowed Schenck to continue to lead, while he learned from him.

Hope this clarifies things.

Source: interviews with the man himself.

[John Vasco]

Originally Posted by ouidjat

Thanks Junker.

I hope "they" didn't take that French review as source!!

What about the plane with dragon?

http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=4116 No apparent dragon but something on cowling.
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=573 another adjudant with no dragon!
Both planes upper can be found in Jagdwaffe Vol.1 Sect.3 (different photos)

So, at least two different adjudant's plane, if not three in very short period.

Regards, Franck.

PS: It's written col. J. Vasco! OUR J. Vasco? OK I change the title of this thread then.

The 109 with the small dragon emblem is Hintze's. The small circle in the fuselage is where a bullet passed through the airframe, just missing him. I made copies of originals from his photo album. Also the one of the 109 on the firing butts is also Hintze's at Przasnysz.

[John Vasco]

Otto Hintze began his military career in November 1934, breaking off his architechtural studies at Munich University. From October 1936 he flew with various units, including JG 134, JG 234 and JG 135, and was Adjutant of II./ZG 1 upon the outbreak of war. The 'Phoney War' found him with I./JG 333 at Westerwald and then from February 1940 hewas with II./JG 186. II./JG 186 was transferred to Antwerp when that city was occupied, and it was from here that he was shot down on 1st June 1940 by, he always believed, his trigger-happy wingman when enemy fighters were seen in the distance. While with II./JG 186 Hintze was appointed Staka of 4./186, and it was this Staffel that formed the nucleus of 3./Erpr. Gr. 210.

After he was repatriated in 1948, Hintze again took up architechtural studies at Munich University, and graduated in 1950.

Source: interviews and Flugbucher of the man himself.

Note: the only Flugbuch that Hintze did not have was for the Polish campaign with II./ZG 1. When I asked him why, he said that for the Polish campaign, they were issued with a separate Flugbuch, which had to be handed in at the end of hostilities. He presumed they were simply sent up the line to Luftwaffe HQ.

[ouidjat]

Hello John,

And thank you very much; this clarifies the situation.

Nevertheless, it raises some questions.
- Do you confirm that the plane on the firing butts is Hintze’s one; that is WNr.2668 as written in Falcon’s site? (Normally yes since we can see the bullet’s hole)
- What is the “mysterious” (As described by Erik in Jagdwaffe) clear rectangle on cowling: an emblem, a patch or a girl friend’s name?
- Both Mombeeck and Prien didn’t have access to this information when they wrote their respective volume?
- Since we can see the bullet’s hole on all pictures I can suppose they have been taken AFTER the 1/09. But is Prien right when he does include this photo inside JGr. 101 history? In other words do you know the place and the date the pictures have been taken?
- last - Hmm I think so - how can we have two planes - Hintze and Bacsila machines - bearing a chevron during the same period?

Again, thank you for your comments.

Best regards, Franck.

PS: As for the Stuka story, it was obvious there was something wrong even without knowing the details; Thanks to have clarified that too.
PPS: Note that WNr.2668 is included in one of those Bf 109 D-1 production batches!!! That is … another question mark.

[Doug Stankey]

Thanks John for those corrections and elaborations. That error concerning the Ju 87 was embarrassing. I should have spotted that immediately!

I shall amend the entry but it won't appear until the next revision is issued in about a year.


Regards,
DGS

[ouidjat]

I like the way you comment this error Doug; You're a gentleman!
Regards, Franck.