Hptm. Karl Leban claims

[Stig Jarlevik]

I am puzzled by the great difference between Prien's JG 77 books and his JFV 6/II

In the JG 77 Teil 2, Karl Leban is credited with three victories, but in JFV 6/II only with one.

Looking at just July 6th there are far more discrepancies.

JG 77 Teil 2 JFV 6/II
Lt Zuzic : I-16 x 2 Not listed
Ofw Ertel: I-16 Not listed
Fw Schmidt: I-16 Fw Rudolf Schmidt: I-16
Uffz Bochmann; I-16 Uffz Horst Bochmann: ZKB-19
Not listed Oblt Erich Friedrich: I-16
Not listed Hptm Anton Mader; I-16
Not listed Lt Franz Hrdlicka: I-16

Lt Schwanecke: DB-3 Not listed
Fw Schmidt: DB-3 Fw Rudolf Schmidt: MiG-3
Not listed Oblt Erich Friedrich: MiG-3

Uffz Bochmann:SB-2x2 Not listed
Hptm Leban: SB-2 Not listed
Lt Engelhardt: SB-2 Not listed
Not listed Lt Bruno Siekmann: SB-2
Not listed Oblt Walter Höckner: SB-2
Not listed Uffz Ludwig Fröba: I-16
Not listed NN: SB-2

Are the remaining records that hard to interpret that in 1993 we have one version and in 2003 basically a totally different one (Only 3 victories correlate!)?

Cheers
Stig

Sorry, the listings come out very strange since it is not possible to tabulate information above. Hope it is interpretable, otherwise check the two volumes

[Dmitry Volodin]

Claims in JG77 books are mostly assumption. JFV series founded on more reliable sources.

[Stig Jarlevik]

Hmmm

I can hardly believe Jochen Prien based his four volume JG 77 books on guessworks. There must be more to it than that.

Cheers
Stig

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

Hmmm

I can hardly believe Jochen Prien based his four volume JG 77 books on guessworks. There must be more to it than that.

Cheers
Stig

Stig, you are correct. I can assure you that Dr. Prien based his JG 77 series on solid information. Since that publication, for the JV series, more information may have come to light in the form of KTBs, FBs, etc., as well as Ultra, but the base information in the original series will be pretty good.

[Maxim1]

Originally Posted by Stig Jarlevik

I am puzzled by the great difference between Prien's JG 77 books and his JFV 6/II

AFAIK, JG 77 books were published long before the discovering of well-known OKL Fighter Claims on microfilms in BA-MA.

[Dmitry Volodin]

As I remember correctly JG77 claims based on day's staffel claims quantity but the names of claimants had not been known at that time. This I had in mind as 'assumptions'.