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Old 16th January 2006, 15:45
Calimero jr. Calimero jr. is offline
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Re: The Big Show-Unabridged--Comments?

The last version of "The Big Show" corrects many errors (about JG or german pilots...) that were present in the first editions. As said above, Clostermann couldn't use the decades of WWII research we have now to write his book.
As for someone mentioning dogfights with "hordes of Ta-152 in July 1944", I'm sorry but I don't find that in the book (I have the original and the "2000" editions). Clostermann describes many fights against Fw-190 D-9 while flying Tempests in 1945 but not against Ta. In the original edition it is possible that he talks about "long-nosed" FW over Normandy, which of course is a mistake as the type wasn't operational yet.

For sure it's still one of the best and most vivd aerial WWII accounts I've read.
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Old 12th February 2006, 16:15
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Re: The Big Show-Unabridged--Comments?

Well!

The posts you have made was very interesting.

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Old 22nd March 2006, 10:29
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I hope I am not putting the cat amongst the pigeons but I don't think that Clostermann was awarded the DSO, which he was photographed wearing! And he certainly didn't get the 33 kills painted on the side of his Tempest! However, I am first to admit that I haven't read the new version of the book.
Often when Clostermann is discussed, rumors about over claiming etc pop up. Below you find Pierres own response to such allegations after being accused in a magazine, (Scale Aircraft Modeling) . The letter is longer but I post the part of over claiming.

As to my claims, they never changed. They were painted on my Tempest, (see accompanying photo), (The photograph that Pierre sent with his letter, with him in the cockpit of ´Le Grand Charles, circa July 1945, showing 23 black crosses representing his accredited "kills" and the nine white outline only crosses for "probables" and "ground kills".) and are substantiated by the following citations and letters. My two DFC citations, by Air Marshal Slessor and AOC 83 Group Sir Harry Broadhurst, are enough for me.

DFC 26/8/44 This officer has displayed outstanding courage and devotion to duty throughout his operational career in the course of which he has destroyed at least 11 enemy aircraft and damaged other military objectives. Bar 28/5/45 Since being awarded the DFC this officer has participated in 70 new operational missions during which he has destroyed a further 12 enemy aircraft. Throughout, Lieutenant Clostermann has displayed outstanding courage and ability, and has proved to be a source of inspiration to all.

23 black crosses and 23 confirmed by my DFC citations. I never personally asked for anything else.

There were I suppose two problems; ONE, I have been in so many Squadrons; Nos 341, 602, 486, 274, 56 and 3, that the forms 540 and 541 "logs of claims" were quite spread out. TWO, the French Air Force - as well as the US 8th Fighter Command, considered aircraft probables and destroyed on the ground as victories. This may explain some of the ridiculously inflated claims we found in the press, about me and many American pilots. Not my fault. I tried to rectify often, but to no avail! Finally, the statement about the DSO. I am a Chevalier of the Legion d'Honneur, which, as a French national, takes precedence over my DFC, and therefore is worn in front of it. It is red with a blue tinge - as is the DSO.

Pierre Clostermann
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