Jg301, 2/3/45

[Erich]

Don :

some of III. gruppe's 190A-8's were equipped with outboard 3cm Mk 108's

[Heuser]

Hello,
According to Willi Reschke´s book "Jagdgeschwader 301/302" there are 25 losses of I.-IV./JG 301 for that day, but only two in this area:
-Fhr. Heinrich Lieb, 2./JG 301, Fw 190 A-9, KIA Ruzyne
-Uffz. Günther Schulz, 5./JG 301, Fw 190 D-9 No.500569 "weiße 14", KIA w.Prague

Erich is right, some of the Fw 190 A-8/9 were equipped with the the "Rüstsatz 2" (=R2, MK 108 in outer wing position), but armour plates are very rarely in the last days of WW 2.
Regards, Heuser

[Andreas Brekken]

Hi, guys.

I have 35 detailed losses registered for the unit on this day (I. - IV./J.G.301).

So it seems I have about ten more than Reschke.

Here are the lists:

http://www.ahs.no/discussion_images/ahs-losses0001.gif

http://www.ahs.no/discussion_images/ahs-losses0002.gif

Also, the MK 108 is a 30 centimeter autoloading cannon, heavy armament for a fighter aircraft. The same cannon was used in the Me 262 among others. Bomber killers....

Regards,
Andreas

[Peter Kassak]

Guys

I did not want to announce it by myself, but if you check this link
http://mmpbooks.biz/books/8389450224/8389450224p.htm
you will find my book dealing with march 1945 actions and with complete (as far as I know) list of LW losses (and other sides as well).

Also Don Christensens fathers (?) fate is mentioned...

have a nice reading...

peter

[Joerg Dietsche]

Originally Posted by Andreas Brekken

Hi, guys.

I have 35 detailed losses registered for the unit on this day (I. - IV./J.G.301).

So it seems I have about ten more than Reschke.

Here are the lists:

http://www.ahs.no/discussion_images/ahs-losses0001.gif

http://www.ahs.no/discussion_images/ahs-losses0002.gif

Also, the MK 108 is a 30 centimeter autoloading cannon, heavy armament for a fighter aircraft. The same cannon was used in the Me 262 among others. Bomber killers....

Regards,
Andreas

Andreas,
I will meet the Veterans of JG 301/302 in May 2006 during the annual reunion. Be so kind and send me your list. I will discuss it with Willi Reschke.

[Michal]

This story pretty well described Jiří Rajlich as well in several articles and book about Air War over Bohemia and Moravia.

15 Fw 190 of II./JG 301 took off Stendal AF at 10.15 and attacked 398th BG between 10.40 and 11 hours in area Kladno - Slaný, West of Prague

Fw 190s shot down B-17G (s/n 44-6573, 603rd BS, 398th BG). Plane crashed nearby village Kvíc, not far from Slaný. 7 KIA, 1 MIA, 1 POW.

In clash with Mustangs of 352nd FG were destroyed (according Czech sources):

Fw 190D9, WNr. 500111, red 4, 8./JG 301, Fhr. Helmut-Peter Rix, NW of Ústí nad Labem (Aussig)
Fw 190D9, 8./JG 301, Lt. Walter Kropp, StaKa, unknown location
Fw 190A9, 8./JG 301, Uffz. Heger, unknown location
Fw 190A9, 8./JG 301, Uffz. Ehrlich, unknown location
Fw 190D9, white 14, Uffz. Günther Schulz, II./JG 301, KIA, between villages Třebíz and Klobuky, nearby Kladno
Fw 190A9, blue 3, Uffz. Josef Krapp, II./JG 301, between villages Vrbičany and Páleč, not far from Kladno
Fw 190A9, II./JG 301, Fhr. Heinrich Lief, area Kladno
Fw 190A9, II./JG 301, Uffz. Jürgen Dietrich, area Kladno

[Eric Larger]

Hello all of you

First I will say that Peter's book , give a good overview of the battlesthat took place over German Occupied territories on 2 March 1945. . Congratulations Peter . I read it in two days , and I have still learned something . It is avery nice book , small format , from page # 49 to 64 you will find lists of sources , missing crews , losses and victories . Pages 65 to 80 are dedicated to colour profiles of opponents .

I have interviewed some years ago , one of the survivors of these events , ie Helmut "Peter" Rix of 8./JG301.

Fot those speaking French , it sould be placed in parallel of second volume of history of JG300 by J.Y.Lorant , which also depicts the events of that day concerning JG300.

The english version of this book is not availabable yest as far as I know .

All groups of JG301 were engaged that day . The stab/JG301 Ta 152h also took off but have to turn back to their home base.

Plase found probably one of the last fragments of this day , a very small piece of Fw 190D-9 W.Nr 500569 , White 14'" of Uffz. Günther Schulz, 5./JG 301.

All the Best

Eric

[Erich]

Peter :

Were you able to interview 352nd fg veterans first hand for your work ? From talking with them and having their written history it appeared JG 301 was slaughtered, with II./JG 301 Doras and A-9's taken out unawares while still in flight formation in most cases.

Wolfgang Ehrlich flew blue 9 of 8th staffel, Jürgen Dietrich of 8th staffel flew blue 10, both KIA in their A-9's. Reschke has a typ0 mistake and mentions Dietrich flying a Dora.

E

[Matthias Radu]

Andreas,

thanks for providing the loss table on JG301's operation on 2/3/45. Unfortunately, when comparing your list with Willy Reschke's listing, one gets at least 37 different aircraft, as it seems.

The most significant differences seem to be in IV. Gruppe, with W. R. mentioning G-10 610 100 Red 4 (Uffz. Alfred Appel) and 491 200 Yellow 7 (Fhr. Harald Ruh) additionally. On the other hand, 150 087, 150 734, 150 750, 150 781, 150 841, 150 843, 491 171, 491 241 and 491 298 are not to be found in W. R.'s book.

Minor differences on the Focke-Wulfs as well, for example 980 582 and 500 431 are given as II. Gruppe machines, 500 560, 205 941, 206 125 and 980 169 are not listed in W.R.'s book at all. For 2 a/c no Wk.Nr. is to be found there, A-9 of Fhr. Heinrich Lieb and D-9 of Fhr. Hans Geban.

Can you or anybody else shed some light on the discrepancies, especially on the two G-10s not included in your list (are there probably other loss dates for these examples in your data base)? Both pilots are listed as KIA, so their mounts should be total write/offs as well?

Thanks in advance

Matthias

[Peter Kassak]

Hi all,

thanks Eric for nice words about the book I am happy that you enjoyed reading and it also added some info to your collection.
Erich, I obtained memories of 352.FG veterans from combat reports. I was in touch with 352.FG historian, who provided these copies and also contacted few pilots...
My source of Luftwaffe loisses was based on list obtained from Bundesarchiv, provided by Jiri Rajlich. I did not check with Resches loss list...
Hope you will enjoy the book and any updates are always welcomed, as I made web site with additions at
http://mmpbooks.biz/books/8389450224/adds/index.htm

greetings