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Old 11th February 2014, 11:52
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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

Folks,

Here is the list to the question about Fábián István, Hungarian Bf 109G ace. First claims on the Eastern Front, plus 1 (+2 unsure) claims on American planes in the summer of 1944. His list has a few confusing points, therefore it still needs further investigation.

Claim No., Date .....Reported AC ...Real victim

07 ….. 13.11.44. Yak-9 ……….....A veeeery messy day. Probable Yak- victory at 14:48, but cannot match for sure to any losses. (Too many options from 5 VA, 13 GvIAD and 331 IAD.)
08 ….. 21.12.44. La-5 ………......Found no permanent loss, but: I know the 17 VA, 194 IAD La-5 losses only between December 25, 1944 and VE-Day. Based on location it could be a 194 IAD plane, so still needs investigation!
09 ….. 16.01.45. Pe-2R ………....Overclaim. Plane escaped with 56 hits and landed on one wheel at Madocsa. 17 VA, 39 ORAP, l-t Makarov crew.
10 ….. 16.01.45. Yak-9 ………....Yak-3, S/N: 2917, 17 VA, 288 IAD, 659 IAP, ml.l-t Galkin (KIA)
11 ….. 19.02.45. La-5 ………......La-5F, S/N: 39215021, 17 VA, 295 IAD, 164 IAP, ml.l-t Emec (KIA) Crashed and broke at landing after the battle, having serious combat damages.
12 ….. 19.02.45. La-5 ………......La-5??? - Most likely an overclaim, no close match in soviet records.
13 ….. 13.03.45. IL-2 ……….......Probably IL-2m3, S/N: 1877483, 17 VA, 306 ShAD, 951 ShAP, l-t Tumashev (KIA) crew. (A Close case, but details match for only about 75%. Needs more investigation.)
14 ….. 19.03.45. IL-2 ……….......Probably IL-2m3, S/N: 18835124, 17 VA, 136 ShAD, 989 ShAP, gv.ml.l-t Buryakovskii (KIA) crew. (A Close case, but details match for only about 75%. Needs more investigation.)

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