Losses German Bight 18.12.1939

[Marius]

Hello,
I agree with the two victories of Ullenbeck. It is theoretically possible he attacked aircraft from the "Heligoland formation" 9/149 Sqd. But I think it was the second "ghost" formation which he traced so long over the sea.

The Luftgaukommando crash report is very interesting. But it starts with the victory of Fw. Groening I./ZG 76. The rest corresponds with Tony Woods list. The first part of the victories (JG 77 & JG 26) is not mentioned or - what I do believe - just getting lost.(?)

There is no problem with the German victories` times & places or pilots making mistakes. But there would be too many mistakes and false interpretations.
Above this we have a formation of 22 hostile aircraft observed from the mainland (not reported by pilots!) flying from Borkum to Wangerooge and back again along the Frisian islands. Even if the observers made an error with the direction (instead of East-West West-East), they could have not count the aircraft of the Heligoland formation flying back. They consisted in the area of Borkum of appr. 10 aircraft still (not 22). At that time many Wellingtons were shot down already.
On the other side the whole victory list of Luftgaukommando XI agrees with the ghost formation, which - as our British friends say - was not existent.

My feeling is telling me our British friends have concealed something. By the way I would understand it - in the time of war and propaganda.

Regards,