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Old 20th February 2014, 16:27
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Re: German overclaims in the East. Hartmann and others...

Folks,

Here is Ltn. Otto Dommeratzkt’s incomplete(!) list for 1944 (6./SG 2, Fw 190F). Since he claimed his victories still early, my records are incomplete. I had the following planes in my loss-lists which might match his claims, but chances are other units had losses too which I was not aware of. Note, that 873 ShAP later became 188 GvShAP of 5 VA, 12 GvShAD. 165 GvShAP also lost 4 IL-2s (Mamaev, Krilov, Karashev, and Sharov at Tordatúr/Tureni area) this day while still with the 5 VA (before transfer to 17 VA):

Date:............Reported AC:…..Real victim:

19.09.1944.......Boston III......Probably Douglas A-20G-15-DO Boston, S/N: 42-54280, 5 VA, 218 BAD, 48 BAP, l-t Finogenov (KIA) - Or perhaps Oblt. Behnkau's claim (III/JG 51)???? Note, only ONE 5 VA Boston loss this day, so one of them was an overclaim!!!
22.09.1944.......IL-2..............probably IL-2m3 of 5 VA, 231 ShAD, 873 ShAP
22.09.1944.......IL-2..............probably IL-2m3 of 5 VA, 231 ShAD, 873 ShAP
22.09.1944.......IL-2..............probably IL-2m3 of 5 VA, 231 ShAD, 873 ShAP

(The 3 873 ShAP, 2nd squadron IL-2 losses: S/N: No.1873376/engine: 252359-ml.l-t Kazmin, No.8485/engine: 252085-ml.l-t Klochko, or No.9081/engine: 253460-Sherbak, repaired on airfield. Note, that IL-2 No.8485 was hit by flak earlier on May 12, 1944 and was repaired on their airfield. See below.)

Gabor

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