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Old 1st February 2006, 20:14
Jerome Ribeiro Jerome Ribeiro is offline
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Hello Lennart

Thank you to enlighten me about this Amiot143M saga. It is coherent with the comments of Boris.
To pursuie this investigation, I have to perform scrutiny into the French Archives dubbed "SHD/A" near Paris to determine the MSN of the A/C. The starting points will be the date of the mission ie 18 June'40, the Czech crew & bomber mission to the East in the current Bomber Squadron at this time (Groupement n°10, GBI/34 & II/34, GBI/38 & GBII/38).
If you have additional details or evidences,please let me know

I will keep you inform

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Old 5th February 2006, 10:48
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Hello Jerome,

The flight was not scheduled as a regular combat mission. This particular aircraft was used by Czech personell of GB I/21 for evacuation from Agen airbase near Bordeaux only. The aircraft was offered personally by Gen. Joseph Vuillemin, who was present at the airfield in that time.

The crew intended to fly to England but due to flak damage from previous service and some controls malfunction crew changed the flight direction to Yugoslavia. The crew (Sgt. Otakar Zanta, Sgt. Jan Irving, Sgt. Alois Keda, Sgt. Ladislav Malovec) were interned till December 1940 than escaped and via Greece evacuated to Turkey and later to England where they have joined RAF. Since they were missing for six months the whole crew was awarded Czech Medal for Bravery in memoriam in October 1940 by Czech authorities.

P/O Otakar Zanta (169918) was captain of 311 Sqn Liberator GR MkVI, BZ995/G, "J" when reported missing from antisubmarine patrol on March 13, 1944. Previously he was credited with sinking of U966 on November 10, 1943.

Sgt Alois Keda (788087) was killed on April 6, 1942, in accident of Wellington Ic, P9299, KX-A of 1429. COTF which crashed during cross coutry training flight probably due to engine malfunction.

J. Irving and L. Malovec survived the war.

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Old 5th February 2006, 16:39
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Good Afternoon David,

It is very interesting your information about this bomber. This will allow to determine the MSN of this aircraft among the 123 Amiot143M used by the 4 Bomber Squadrons ie G.B.I/34, II/34, I/38 & II/38 during the "Battle of France" starting from the 10 May'40.After checking documents & various magazines, there is no pertinent information about A/C used from the Agen airfied, especially around the 18 June'40. At this time, confusing retreat was done by all the Figther & Bomber Squadrons. Investigation on French Archive at the "SHD" will tell us. i intend to do that during my next vacation.

Please note that the Squadron Bomber G.B.I/21 used the Bloch MB210 (9) & some new Amiot354 (5). I guess that this is mentioned crew flew the Amiot143M to Zagreb on 18 June'40 and not an Amiot354 as discussed ealier in this forum. It is an another mystery subject to clear later!

Do you know whether or not Jan Irving and Ladislav Malovec are still alive nowodays?

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Jerome
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Old 5th February 2006, 19:57
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Re: Amiot 143M in Croatian Air force

Hello Jerome,

L. Malovec passed away on March 17, 1986 and J.R. Irving passed on April 24, 1997. I can not confirm the type of aircraft flown but Czech sources repeatedly claim that they were flying MODERN bomber (Amiot 351/354?).

For your information there was second Czech crew flying Marcel Bloch BM210 from Agen the very same day to England. The crew K. Schor, F. Petr, B. Baumruk and F. Kracmer, all pilots from GB II/21 crashlanded near Darthmouth. All were later flying with RAF, with B. Baumruk and F. Kracmer being killed flying Wellington bombers on operations. F. Petr survived the war as POW and K. Schor survived two tours of operations. F. Petr died in 2002, K. Schor in 1986.

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