eBay: a Stab JG27 Bf109.. with Stab emblem??

[Jim P.]

Gotta agree with Andreas on this one. The surviving loss records identify WNr. 8419 as being lost with Munz as the pilot. And a good clear print of at least one of the photos clearly show this machine to be Bf 109F-4 WNr. 8419. I have at least one loss entry for every 109 from WNr. 8400 through WNr. 8505. WNr. 8419 is reported once - for the Munz incident as a 100% loss. The first loss with a combat unit for machines in this WNr. series shows up literally at the end of Aug-41 with JG 77. And note in the photos that started this discussion that there is snow on the ground and no leaves in the trees, while the photo from David W.'s Falcon site shows the same trees with leaves. To me that would date the initial photos to mid-October 1941 at the earliest, by which time Stab/JG 27 was headed home to re-equip with the Bf 109F-4, then south to the Med. My take? The photos show the machine as found at various times during the late-winter - spring of 1942.

Wouldn't have a pre-war unit badge? As a personal marking, this is in no way unique.

Faking data to foil 'plagiarists'? One would have to be pretty stupid to pull that stunt. Any credibility one would hope to have as a reliable source for information on this forum, or anyplace else for that matter, would be completely shredded to bits. Seriously, would any of you trust any information given by some putz that you knew was 'faking' data?

Agreeing with Andreas again - the evidence, as we know it from original German documentation, clearly records this incident. And note that Mr. Prien, the name everyone always mentions, is not working alone. Along with Mrs. Gerhard Stemmer & Peter Rodeike, this team also includes Mr. Winifried Bock, who I believe is the historian of the German Fighter Pilot's Assoc. which has been researching this stuff for decades. Until someone can produce something more concrete, such as Munz's FB, everything else is idle speculation.