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Old 25th May 2014, 05:57
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Re: Morane antenna

Hi Guys,

First, some links:
http://www.cdvandt.org/D-Luft-T-4069-FuG-16ZY.pdf
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/lorenz_...fug_16_zy.html

And the C.Lorenz A.G/ITT (See Ed West pointer about Anthony Sutton times ago! ) article as reminder:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Lorenz_AG

As described by waroff we can just make the difference between a Dipole Antenna (created by Herz) and a "Morane antenna" which is a 1/4 wave antenna.

I Wonder if the MS406 aerial was a "Y" antenna; I think it wasn't, but why not. One can confirm?

Like JCM - I guess - I think we should read "Morane LIKE antenna" instead of "Morane antenna" since it seems that term does appear - first - only in - dated - English aviation littérature and - by extension - we all are using it.

Good and useful shortcut but nothing else I'm afraid. (And, for example, I don't think I've read this term in LiF articles ...)

Why? Because it's a technical charasteristic for 1/4 wave antennas to be located - at best - perpendiculary to the support. Since we find dipole antennas for radio communications the only place to fit it is ... Under the belly. For maximum efficiency and to avoid radio interférences.

Remember that some Bf109Fs got one "Y" aerial in place of "normal" radio mast.... without dipole, of course.

Regards, Franck.

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Why? Because it's a technical charasteristic for 1/4 wave antennas to be located - at best - perpendiculary to the support. Since we find dipole antennas for radio communications the only place to fit it is ... Under the belly. For maximum efficiency and to avoid radio interférences.
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This being said and in order to be complete and honest, we need to ask what was this aerial on this particular machine, when the dipole is just behind!?:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=581

on the following view you can see the dipole close to tail fin:
http://www.me109.info/display.php?a=e&fid=583

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I Wonder if the MS406 aerial was a "Y" antenna; I think it wasn't, but why not. One can confirm?.
On the MS 406, Radio Industrie 537 had two antenna 1/4 wave, emitter (ref MS 37990), receiver (ref MS 37927)


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Re: Morane antenna

Yep waroff,

Two 1/4wave antennas but for radio transmitions not for "y" guidance; am I right?

Next; I never seen those antennas on Bf109Es, new for me, but on Bf109G-6s they weren't foldable (shorter) like on MS406.
So, still, I don't see the relation with it ... so still no answer to JCM question.

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Yep waroff,

Two 1/4wave antennas but for radio transmitions not for "y" guidance; am I right?.
Exactly, there was not guidance, only radio communication.
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