New photo of a well known Fw 190 D9

[Micke D]

I would say that there are a lot of Fw190D-9s of JG 2 with the bands, see for example Jerry Crandalls books and JaPo books about the D-9, but only one plane known from JG 4, Fw 190D-9, W.Nr. 600150, black <1 - + -.

[Micke D]

Steve,

I can't say that I have seen a good enough photo of black <II + 210194 to see that, and I'm not sure I can get one either, but if someone have that photo in hi resolution I would be interested to see if I can see what you mean!

[Micke D]

On this new photo of the black <II +, W.Nr. 600???, I can see something that is probably some kind of graffiti on the engine cover.
As this plane was lying at Frankfurt a/f until 1946-1947 a lot of military guys must have visited it.

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by S Sheflin

I wish I could take everything back.

Steve Sheflin

There's always the "edit" button!

[John Manrho]

Regarding post #8. The copy of the NVM of Fw. Hohenberg is not the way how it is archived in Berlin (DD). I have a direct copy of the original and the NVM does not give any information on markings <II or RVT-Band. So these have been added by someone on a copy and that copy has been used in the Japo book. By the way, I have never seen NVM with details on RVT bands applied yes or no. Of course the famous picture of 210194 shows the marking to be <II and the yellow-white-yellow band clearly. I am only aware of one picture of this aircraft in bellylanded condition and on my copy I vaguely see some markings on the port side engine cowling. If this is damage, graffiti or an actual emblem I can not see. Of course the Gen.QU.Mstr. report on this a/c gives the marking as Winkel.

I believe there is enough evidence that JG 1 (red), JG 2 (yellow-white yellow), JG 3 (white), JG 4 (black-white-black), JG 6 (red-white-red), JG 11 (yellow), JG 26 (black-white), JG 27 (green), JG 53 (black), IV./JG 54 (blue), JG 77 (white-green) used their bands. This is based on Allied reports on crashed a/c or on photographic evidence. I stil feel there must be a link to Luftflotte Reich for the RVT bands, I do not believe this was a generic order for every front.

Regards,

John

[Nick Beale]

Originally Posted by John Manrho

I still feel there must be a link to Luftflotte Reich for the RVT bands, I do not believe this was a generic order for every front.

Regards,

John

And yet, as I reproduce on my website, information about the bands was passed to To Sea Defence Commander Hammerfest in the far north of Norway and to the the Waffen-SS in Hungary. That at least suggests that aircraft might be redeployed to any front without removal of the bands.

[PhilippeDM]

John, Dont forget Red/Yellow of JG301

Source:
http://www.aviaticus.com/epages/6154...s/F_013_Fw190A

[Kutscha]

In Broken Eagles 1 there are 3 photos of a D-9 very similar to the OP's except it has the rear canopy structure in place. Is this the same a/c?

[John Manrho]

To the previous post, yes, in my belief that is the same a/c.

[Kutscha]

The 'markings' on the port engine cowling is damage.