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Re: Luftwaffe pilots shot while parachuted
Of Commonwealth and Desert Air Force pilots Clive Caldwell is known to have shot at least one German pilot on parachute. When asked later why he did that he said that he saw not any reason to let enemy to live. The usual justification of killing parachuting enemy airmen has been that they will be eliminated to take a new plane and going to fight again and possibly kill the ones of your side. This applies specially to cases when the enemy is parachuting to safety over his own territory.
However in some cases parachuting pilots have been shot in their parachute even when they were parachuting over hostile territory and thus likely to be captured. At least one such case happened during the Soviet-Finnish Winter War in 1939 when Finnish pilot was killed by Soviet fighter when he was parachuting over Soviet territory - the case has been recorded by Soviets. Totally unnecessary kill as the Finnish pilot would have been captured anyway. The most systematic killers of parachuting enemy airmen were Japanese fighter pilots - of this more on: http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=38310 When it comes to Germans, there have been claims that Legion Condor pilots did strafe the parachuting enemy airmen during Spanish Civil War. However I do not know details and if it was systematic. The Italians and Spaniards of both sides of Spanish Civil War were quite chivalrous - they usually left parachuting airmen in peace as far as I know. In one famous case one Spanish pilot even escorted the damaged enemy plane so long that it could make a safe forcelanding over its own territory! Sometimes they also escorted the parachuting enemy pilot circling around him until he reached the ground, greeted him and then flew away. |
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Re: Luftwaffe pilots shot while parachuted
Here's a start for a study, those pilots were killed under their chute against USAAF fighters. I never found any name of german pilots killed by russian, british or french pilots; neither names of allied pilots killed by japanese pilots. BUT, on the very few days of the fight of Operation Torch, two french airmen (Lieutenant de Vaisseau Hubert Le GRIX de La SALLE & Maître SORBIER of Escadrille 2B) were killed under their chute by american pilots... If you can provide more, please do so.
At last I had to point that if some german pilots were killed US pilots that's "negligeable" in comparison to the number of pilots killed due to the failure of their chutes Date Name Aircraft W.Nr. Markings Unit Place 30.01.1944 OTTO Gottfried Bf 109 G-6 27025 White 8 9./JG 26 Venlo P-47 08.04.1944 ZWERNEMANN Josef Fw 190 A-7 431164 White 11 1./JG 11 Anrewitz P-51 27.05.1944 WYRICH Heinz Fw 190 A-8 730357 White 4 5./JG 26 ? 08.06.1944 ZWEIGART Eugen-Ludwig Fw 190 A-8 170736 Black 3 Stab III./JG 54 Le Cambaux P-51 29.06.1944 KLEYSER Hans Bf 109 G-6 165109 ? 3./JG 300 Rotterschirmbach 18.07.1944 HILGENDORF Viktor Bf 109 G-6 413482 White 3 + I 9./JG 26 North of Dreux 373rd FG 22.07.1944 MÜLLER Erich Fw 190 F ? ? Stab II./SG 2 4 km NNW of Zilistea 28.07.1944 ZEMPER Ulrich Bf 109 G-6 20008 White 3 1./JG 53 Gojacoru P-51 06.08.1944 SCHINDLER Rudolf Bf 109 G-6 166010 ? Black 21 + I 8./JG 53 Bleckede P-51 07.08.1944 THRAN Hans Bf 109 G-6 200034 Black 12 10./JG 26 Mortain-Domfront 368th FG 22.08.1944 PAASHAUS Karl Bf 109 G-14/AS 780782 Red 1 + - 8./JG 53 France P-38 25.08.1944 ICKES Friedrich Bf 109 G-6 412171 Black 6 11./JG 1 Soissons 11.09.1944 PUSCH Hermann Bf 109 G-6 440602 Black 7 + I 11./JG 53 Nürnberg 19.09.1944 SCHOLZ Gerhard Bf 109 G-14 165742 White 4 8./JG 11 Joppe P-51 27.09.1944 RIEDEL Hans-Joachim Bf 109 G-14/AS 780935 ? 2./JG 300 Defence of the Reich 18.11.1944 HICKING Felix Bf 109 G-14 464132 White 11 + - 7./JG 53 Germersheim P-47 02.12.1944 STOLL Willi Fw 190 A-8 ? ? 5./JG 3 Laubach P-47 26.12.1944 GRAD Hermann Fw 190 D-9 210935 Blue 13 4./JG 26 Malmedy 361st FG 05.01.1945 FAUST Hans Fw 190 A-8 960540 Black 6 + I 10./JG 11 Kirchheimbolanden 16.01.1945 KUNZE Rolf Fw 190 D-9 210104 ? 3./JG 2 Grünstadt 23.02.1945 RINK Friedel Bf 109 G-14/AS 461466 ? 14./JG 53 Kornwestheim 02.03.1945 SCHMIDT Arno Bf 109 G-10 491209 ? IV./JG 300 East of Burg 18.03.1945 SCHREY Günther Me 262 A-1a ? ? 3./JG 7 Germany P-51 19.03.1945 SPAHN Johann Fw 190 D-9 ? ? 5./JG 26 Lingen 78th FG 07.04.1945 PROCK Eberhard Bf 109 G ? ? Rammkommando Elbe Enghausen Regards Alfred Last edited by Alfred.MONZAT; 21st January 2015 at 19:37. Reason: Trying to edit the awful presentation |
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Re: Luftwaffe pilots shot while parachuted
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There is also alleged accounts where Luftwaffe Pilots were known to shoot Allied Pilots in their Parachutes during the Battle of France and Britain and yet there are also accounts of chivalry on both sides allowing the downed pilot to land safely. |
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Re: Luftwaffe pilots shot while parachuted
Well Afred, what is the evidence that Fw. Otto (30.1.1944) was shot while hanging at his parachute? The records show no evidence in my opinion.
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