Bf109g-14 WNr.463224 ?

[Cpt_Farrel]

I think I read a Crashed enemy aircraft report on this one and I seem to recall that the triangle was described as having rough edges or being roughly painted. My thought was an over painted chevron...

[ouidjat]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Farrel

I think I read a Crashed enemy aircraft report on this one and I seem to recall that the triangle was described as having rough edges or being roughly painted. My thought was an over painted chevron...

Hi Anders,

I think I have a book home Marc gave me three years ago ... Will check tomorrow... This report must be cited ...

[Charles Bavarois]

Hello Guys,

this it is:

Crashed enemy aircraft report #261, dated 1. Jan. 1945.

Some quotes:
Bf109G14 serial 463224,
“camo dull greyish blue, undersides mottled pale blue.”
“Markings: yellow equilateral triangle – Balkenkreuz. The triangle was two feet along its base and was very roughly painted.”
“Engine DB 605 A-1, serial 0206451, 1 x MG 151 and 2 x MG 131.”
“No power boosting system was fitted, but a switch in the cockpit was wired up for MW50. The boost gauge had red lines painted on the outside of the glass for 1.3 ata, 1.4 ata and 1.7 ata. The line opposite 1.4 was marked “without MW 50”. Opposite 1.7 the line was marked “with MW 50”.

I can add this: The Erla-built aircraft had its BAL-Abnahme on 5. Nov 1944. Its Werknummer is within a large batch of aircraft, for which I only have reports from training-units and a very few from the end of the war with JG5 (Werknummern are all within 463181 to 463248). They presumably all were never equipped with MW 50 and were delivered directly to training- units (and a few to JG5).

Greetings

Carl

[ouidjat]

Thanks Carl for the report I don't need to look for!

At least there is a strong possibility the famous "Gelbe Dreieck" has been translated from English report by Dr. Prien to include it in his publication.
And I'm still eager to know what was written in Gen.Qu.6.Abt.-BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/1197, p.54.

Even the Kracker list didn't dare to write "Gelbe Dreieck" ... Just "Yellow ?".

This said:

We have a strange situation here:

Uffz. Wilhelm “Willi” Karl Drude did belong to II./JG 77 when this incident occurred. In the meantime, II./JG 77 was based, from 9/12/1944 to 17/12/1944, at Werl (700km south of Aalborg) and, from 17/12 to 29/12/1944 at Mühlheim (I don’t know which Mühlheim!), let’s say 750km south to Aalborg for the closest …

What the hell he was doing there, making a flight delivery for JG 5? Alone or with others?

Then, as I wrote above, we have another loss, of another Uffz. Drude, lost on mysterious circumstances on 16/12/1944 (Komm.Gen.d.Dt.Lw.i.Norwegen, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/1170, p.51)… And that Drude DID belong effectively to IV./JG 5 which was based in Stavanger from 6/11/1944 to 3/1945.

Funny when we do consider the last comment posted by Carl concerning the II./JG77 Drude's machine:
“I can add this: The Erla-built aircraft had its BAL-Abnahme on 5. Nov 1944. Its Werknummer is within a large batch of aircraft, for which I only have reports from training-units and a very few from the end of the war with JG5 (Werknummern are all within 463181 to 463248). They presumably all were never equipped with MW 50 and were delivered directly to training- units (and a few to JG5).”
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[hanshauprich]

Hello,
the correct place is Mülheim an der Ruhr, near the City of Dortmund.
Airfield hold part of JG 77 and different Nightfighters during Ardennen-Offensive. So there is no problem flying across the Nederlands to Great Britain.
h.

[ouidjat]

Yes Hans,

Eventually its the one closest to Aalborg.
Indeed there is no problem to fly to England.

I wrote ... Why, being in II./JG77 he had to deliver a machine from Aalborg to JG5 in Stavanger?..
When by chance we have another Drude, in IV./JG5 for who we know nothing.
and When, by chance, the II./JG77 Drude flew a machine Inside a batch etc etc read Carl post please. And mines.

Talking about school (Erg. is a school isn't it?) machines I just want to remember you THAT: LiF23. Drawing by Sundin.
More or less 60cm base Dreieck.

Regards, Franck.

[hanshauprich]

Hello Frank,
the word "Ergängzung" mean Replacement. It is not a school by meaning, more a unit where Flugzeugführer became Combat Ready before they move to the "Fronteinsatz".
Yes, I know LiF 23, the old Luftwaffe is always good for new msyteries!!!
For me, the "Dreieck" (even yellow or black or..) is the symbol for "Schlachtflieger" (Ground Attack).
It's new for me that a Fighterpilot deliver an plane to another unit then his own!
Normaly thats a duty for the boys from FlüG 1 (Fliegerüberführungsgeschwader 1). I known that pilots from JG 77 at that time where sent to the Messerschmitt factory (Regensburg, Amberg etc.) for new 109's and need more than an week for the return!!
h.