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Old 27th June 2015, 10:17
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Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum

The two vertical stiffners abowe the compas hatch, and this hatch at the bottom. Not seen on any other airframe as we know. camera Equipent removed befor delivery to Jg5

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Old 27th June 2015, 12:07
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Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum

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The aircraft was ferried on 20.02.43 from Deurne (where the repair was performed by Erla) to Vaerlöse (which acted as a Flugzeugschleuse for aircraft intended for JG 5).

There was no time left for any modification to a reconnaissance aircraft or for MK108 evaluation.
to correct the information from Merlin:
The mentioned list of flights from Überführungskommando/Lzg Belgien-Nordfrankreich is an weekly report and not mentioned the dates of ferry. The W.Nr.14055 is mentioned in the "week" from 01.03 - 10.03.1943. So it's more probable the a/c was ferried in this time frame and not on 20.02.43.

In all probability the a/c was transported after the crash from 30.07.1942 directly to Antwerpen (an repairshop in Belgium not France) because the so-called "Durchlaufzeit" from 5-6 months for such an great degree of damage was normal.

To use F4 parts during the repair isn't surprising. At this time (the end of 1942) Erla VII repaired in first line Bf 109E/F and some G-1/2. Of course they had stored a lot F4-parts and they used it.

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Old 27th June 2015, 16:42
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Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum

No too concerned about the stiffeners...this was common practice done to aircraft that were upgraded or were going through repairs. This 109 has them affixed randomly throughout. See first photo. This was done to give extra strength and support to the fuselage in general.

Galland's Me109 F4/U had alot of changes and upgrades, as well as TWO access hatches on the left side. This was because he added two MG151 INSIDE the wings (not as gondolas), as well as two MG131 above the engine. These two extra hatches were added to access the necessary "extra" equipment that was required for these new upgrades, as well keep easy access to the MW50 tank. The same was done to his upgraded E model (see 2nd photo).

As aircraft went to repair facilities (and even at factory), much of the equipment was upgraded internally. For example, at factory, ALL aircraft had the complete electrical system installed for wing gondolas as well as gun camera - even when none were intended.

I suspect the reason for finding the MK108 electrical box was due to the fact that as the MK108 was starting to show itself, repair facilities were already upgrading Me109's to the new standard...adding the newer weapons, as well as the electrical systems to support them. Though the MK108 was never installed on your bird, systems to "support" the Mk108 were.

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Old 27th June 2015, 22:06
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Re: Help to solve the real identity off me109 at sola aviation museum

I agree Rasmussen, as in Mombeeks Jg5 volume 2, Jg5 recived som G2,s in March 1943

And on the LRG forum i recived this information today ( together with the fotos) from Mr Jochen Prien, confirming the aircraft as 14055 by the Wrk.Nr number 3, and the upper ving camo ( wavy pattern on desert camo)
At last after 28 years.

I trust you have seen the three photos of "White 3" in Service with 1./JG5 in JFV 10/III, p 331/332, showing a lot of interesting technical details of this ex-Bf109G-1 such as the cabin being void of any pressurisation equipment, the lack of the air intake on the port engine cowl and the wings with bumps on the upper surface to accommodate the upper part main wheel. The WerkNr. is clearly visible in one photo.
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