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Old 11th February 2016, 02:40
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KG 55 losses on the night of 21/22 July 1941

Can anyone Confirm/identify the aircraft (Wk. Nr. and ID marking) for these two KG 55 losses on the night of 21/22 July 1941 ?

Staffelkapitan of 4./KG 55 Olt. Otto Bernhard Harms shot down over Dorogobuzh on his way to Moscow on the evening of 21 July 1941 and another He 111H, apparently from KG 55, was brought down by Lieutenant I. D. Chulkov of 41st IAP piloting a MiG-3 who shot it down near Istra at 0210 hours 22 July 1941.


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Re: KG 55 losses on the night of 21/22 July 1941

Oquaig,

Captain Konstantin Nikolaewitsch Titenkov (Константин Николаевич Титенков) of 11st IAP piloting a Yak-1 claimed over Zwenigorod a He 111 of Oblt. Otto-Bernhard Harms. He 111 made an emergency landing in the wood. Two pilots are taken prisoner.
Lieutenant Iwan Denisowitsch Chulkov (Иван Денисович Чулков) of 41st IAP piloting a MiG-3 claimed near Zwenigorod - Istra a Ju 88.

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Old 11th February 2016, 11:00
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Re: KG 55 losses on the night of 21/22 July 1941

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Oquaig,

Captain Konstantin Nikolaewitsch Titenkov (Константин Николаевич Титенков) of 11st IAP piloting a Yak-1 claimed over Zwenigorod a He 111 of Oblt. Otto-Bernhard Harms. He 111 made an emergency landing in the wood. Two pilots are taken prisoner.
Lieutenant Iwan Denisowitsch Chulkov (Иван Денисович Чулков) of 41st IAP piloting a MiG-3 claimed near Zwenigorod - Istra a Ju 88.

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Yes Oleg,
No disrespect but there is another claim for this one:
"With high probability the aircraft Harms been attacked over the settlement Dorokhovo. Kukharenko brother-soldiers - part of Captain KN Tityankova (led by Lt. VD Lapochkin and ml. Lt. VV Bokach); German machine fell down at the Rusa."

But, the German version is that Harms was brought down by anti-aircraft fire over Dorogobuzh while inbound towards Moscow on the evening of 21 July 1941. (John Weal: He 111 Kampfgeschwader on the Russian Front. Page 18)

I can not claim which version of the story is correct, but I would still like to identify the aircraft in the loss lists by it's Wrk Nr. and call sign.

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Old 11th February 2016, 15:51
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Re: KG 55 losses on the night of 21/22 July 1941

Some more quotes:

В ночь на 22 июля во время первого массированного налета немецкой авиации на Москву отличился командир эскадрильи 11 иап капитан Константин Николаевич Титенков. Пилотируя Як-1, он атаковал ведущего группы бомбардировщиков противника. Бомбардировщик отстреливался и пытался вырваться из луча прожектора. Титенков подошел к бомбардировщику и почти в упор ударил по нему из пушки и пулеметов, после чего самолет противника загорелся и рухнул на землю в районе Старой Рузы (примерно в 15 км от Кубинки).

Одним из первых поднявшись в воздух, он атаковал лидера группы вражеских бомбардировщиков. Как только "Хейнкель-111" появился в лучах прожекторов, Титенков оказался рядом с ним. Немецкий пилот пытался маневрировать, вырваться из светового поля, но его всюду настигал меткий огонь отважного лётчика - истребителя. Одна из очередей сразила стрелка бомбардировщика. Затем Титенков ещё ближе подошёл к врагу и длинной очередью поджёг его. Немецкий самолёт рухнул на землю западнее города Звенигород.

В эту ночь капитан Титенков несколько раз поднимался в воздух. В одном из вылетов, уже при возвращении на аэродром, вместе со своими товарищами лейтенантами В. Д. Лапочкиным и В. В. Бокачем, он уничтожил ещё один немецкий самолёт.

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Re: KG 55 losses on the night of 21/22 July 1941

Two losses in the Gen.Qu.6.Abt. reports. Note that the SKZ are not part of those reports. The actual tactical codes were not reported.

He 111P-4, 2969, Sohn, Fw. Erich, , I., , KG 55, , , VI+CQ, , 21-Jul-41, KIA due to enemy fighters. Bm also KIA, B & Bs WIA., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.6, LEMB, bei Ostrow, 60%, F, B Ofw. Otto Himmel, Bm Fw. Karl Dietz & Bs Ogefr. Anton Renn, ,
He 111H-6, 4228, Harms, Oblt. Bernhard (B)/Hänel, Ofw. Heinrich, , II., 4., KG 55, , , SF+QP, , 21-Jul-41, Stkp. Both MIA with crew, cause unknown., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Bines & Salonen via TOCH on 8/11-Jul-15, , Raum Moskau, 100%, F, , ,
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Re: KG 55 losses on the night of 21/22 July 1941

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He 111P-4, 2969, Sohn, Fw. Erich, , I., , KG 55, , , VI+CQ, , 21-Jul-41, KIA due to enemy fighters. Bm also KIA, B & Bs WIA., , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.6, LEMB, bei Ostrow, 60%, F, B Ofw. Otto Himmel, Bm Fw. Karl Dietz & Bs Ogefr. Anton Renn, ,
Thank you very much for that info Jim P. !

My question about this particular one quoted above: 60% damage and two WIA...this suggests they landed behind German lines ?

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