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Old 21st May 2016, 13:17
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Re: German day fighter top aces by JG

Excuse me? First I really thought that this is just a joke.
What is your problem with Nick's question? Do you really think that because some data was commonly used, copied and automatically repeated by many researchers in the past, using only one sided (German) information (namely the reported claims) without knowing anything about the verified losses of the other side, it makes their story true?

Please stop ridiculing yourself and be a little bit more realistic. Please, ask your 'world famous historians': based on what INFORMATION they published and repeated in the past eg. Hartmann's 352 'victories'? Please ask them to list the verified aircraft serial numbers and pilots of Hartmann's soviet victims! Your whole argument is pathetic and not worthy for a historical forum.

For me: in one hand there are black & white Allied and Soviet loss reports and war diaries -without missing any pages- (with specific AC serial numbers, pilot names, dates, units), while on the other hand there is Michael who wants to live in a wonderland and still believes in outdated fairy tales. Sorry, but here it is not too difficult to choose...

Gabor

PS: If Hartmann's and other's claims were all true, then Germany would have won WWII.
 


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