German day fighter top aces by plane

[drgondog]

The eternal wrangling over top scores, and all 'scores' whether 'confirmed' or more appropriately 'recognized by a formal authority' seems pointless as the depth of records from all parties, for all claims and losses are simply not available in quality and veracity by disinterested third parties.

God knows but he is unavailable to historians.

[Johannes]

Hi Michael

I think by memory that Johann Krause usually flew a Do217.

Kind Regards

Johannes

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by Johannes

Hi Michael

I think by memory that Johann Krause usually flew a Do217.

Kind Regards

Johannes

Agree, most books depict that fact.

Nick

[knusel]

You're right, I've included Johann Krause in my
German night fighter aces by plane list
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=45031
and determined a most probable Do 217 score of 18 or 19, which might give him the lead before Radusch (~17).

Have a nice evening,

Michael

[knusel]

Good afternoon,

from Peter (PMoz99) I learned that Georg Brütting in "Das waren die deutschen Stuka-Asse 1939-1945" (1995) might have been wrong when he wrote on page 98 that Alfred Druschel scored seven kills with the Hs 123.

We know from Johannes that Druschel's seven kills were scored on 22. and 23. June 1941 and from that website
http://ww2.dk/air/lehr/lg2.htm
we know that Druschel's unit, 4./LG2, was equipped with the Bf109E for the whole year 1941.

Can anybody confirm that Druschel flew a Bf109E and not a Hs123 when scoring his kills ?

Michael

[knusel]

Good morning Gentlemen,

by courtesy of Andrew Arthy, Johannes, Peter Mosler (PMoz99), Matti Salonen and Evgeny Velichko I learned more about the most probable plane flown by Alfred Druschel when scoring his seven kills on 22./23.Jun1941.
The answers had a range from ‘Yes, he claimed all his victories in the Bf109E’ to ‘Druschel stopped flying the Hs123 in mid1940' to ‘We nee his flugbuch/combat report to know’.

The following statements about the equipment of his unit are of interest:

• II./LG2 had 2 Bf109 Staffeln and 1 Hs123 Staffel in preparation for the Balkans campaign
• II./LG2 had 38 Bf109’s and 22 Hs123's at the start of Barbarossa
• II./LG2 reports a mix of Hs123’s and Bf109’s destroyed or damaged on 22/23Jun1941, the Hs123 losses might have been suffered by 10./LG2 which was attached to II./LG2
• 4./LG2 had the last Hs123 loss on 5Jun1940, the first Bf109 loss on 3Sep1940, all losses after that were Bf109’s

It seems more like Druschel was flying a Bf109 and Georg Brütting’s statement remains the only one that clearly indicates a Hs123.
But: If anybody has ever scored 7 kills in the Hs123 at any time, then it might have been Druschel in the first two days of Barbarossa, right ?

Cheers,

Michael

[PMoz99]

Hello Michael.
Haha, yes, you can still live in hope on that one! So many things are not certain.
Cheers
Peter