Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum  

Go Back   Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum > Discussion > Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces

Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces Please use this forum to discuss the German Luftwaffe and the Air Forces of its Allies.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21st April 2006, 22:32
Frasera Frasera is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Perth, Scotland
Posts: 75
Frasera is on a distinguished road
Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Understand that an Fw 190 landed at West Malling, by mistake, on this date, His companion being shot down during overshoot. Any info on pilots/unit?
TIA
Alan Fraser
http://www.stirlingpilot.org.uk
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 22nd April 2006, 19:15
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,892
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Four came down in the UK that night from I & II/SKG 10. Details in my book on Tip & Run but do say if you want more
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 22nd April 2006, 19:35
Brian Bines Brian Bines is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,437
Brian Bines is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Would this be the incident when on the night of 16/17 April 1943 four Fw 190's of SKG 10 attempted to land at West Malling ? The events have been well covered previously in books/articles.
Oblt. Kurt Klahn St. Kap. of 2/SKG 10 was killed when he baled out too low on the approach to West Malling, Fw. Otto Bechtold of 7/SKG 10 was taken POW after landing, Ltn Fritz Setzer of 5/SKG 10 was taken POW injured and his a/c destroyed after landing, while Ofw. Otto Schulz of 7 staffel was seriously injured and his a/c wrecked after undershooting West Malling.
Otto Schulz was repatriated to Germany but a JG 6 loss list shows him as killed on 3-11-1944 when he attempted an emergency landing in a Fw 190 of 8/JG 6.
I beleive Ltn. Setzer was out of fuel following AA damage over London. The others may have overflown Essex crossed the Thames Estuary thinking it to be the Channel and thought they were landing in France perhaps someone else has a more definite answer
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 22nd April 2006, 21:17
Frasera Frasera is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Perth, Scotland
Posts: 75
Frasera is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Thanx Guys,
The reason for asking is the 149 Sqn Stirling which landed at West Malling (after a fight (?) with an 88) pulled up along side it - much to the consternation of the crew!
Alan F
http://www.stirlingpilot.org.uk
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 22nd April 2006, 22:18
Jean-Yves Lorant Jean-Yves Lorant is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: France
Posts: 87
Jean-Yves Lorant is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Hello Chris,

A good opportunity to congratulate you for your remarkable book "Luftwaffe Fighter-bombers over Britain - The tip and run campaign" (Crécy Publishing lim.) devoted to this long series of terror attacks on South-England 1942-43. You covered this difficult subject with decency, giving a well-deserved place to the civilian victims testimonys. After reading this, I better understood why my old friend Johann-Karl Müller (SKG 10) was tormented by nightmares until the end of his life. Your book is a must for the Luftwaffe fans and an essential work for those - I hope there are not too many - which did not fully realize the horror of this total war.
Thanks, Chris Goss !

Hals und Beinbruch - Jean-Yves Lorant.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 23rd April 2006, 11:40
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,892
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Jean-Yves: Thank you so much for your most kind comments. I was lucky to have contacted Herr Mueller many years ago and it was probably he who fired my interest in the subject. There are still a few unanswered questions (like from Herrn Limberg and Schroeter who wished not to correspond) and the only feedback that I have received on the book is minimal so must assume that the book answers nearly all of the questions!

Amicalement

Chris
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 23rd April 2006, 13:41
Frasera Frasera is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Perth, Scotland
Posts: 75
Frasera is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Thanx again, Guys. So thid could have been the night of 16/17 Apr, and not March as I was told verbally?
If so, were any Ju 88s lost near Munich after action against Bombers, that night?
TIA
Alan F
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 23rd April 2006, 16:05
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,892
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Missed the date-definitely April for Malling and nothing springs out for March or April for Ju 88s
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 23rd April 2006, 21:07
Jean-Yves Lorant Jean-Yves Lorant is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: France
Posts: 87
Jean-Yves Lorant is on a distinguished road
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Well, Chris, it would be necessary to be jealous or "insincerely" to criticize your superb book. The absence of reactions you quoted is a good quality proof. Is it indiscret to ask you wether you currently work on others Luftwaffe books ?
All the best from France
Jean-Yves
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 24th April 2006, 11:49
Chris Goss's Avatar
Chris Goss Chris Goss is offline
Alter Hase
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 11,892
Chris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the roughChris Goss is a jewel in the rough
Re: Fw 190 landed at West Malling, Mar '43

Jean-Yves: Thanks again for the kind words. I have just finished 3 shorter books-Sea Eagles 1 & 2 for Classic (German anti-shipping Ops) and a photo album book on the Do 17 for Red Kite. I am taking a bit of a break for personal reasons (new job, promotion and family) but the offers for me to write more are still there. I am toying with German bomber ops over Normandy June-August 1944, I/SKG 10 from Apr 43 to September 44.....I will wait and see. What about yourself?

Regards

Chris
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NEW BOOK - Fw 190 D Camouflage & Markings - Pt. 1 David E. Brown Focke-Wulf Fw 190D Camouflage & Markings 71 30th March 2014 23:16
Half painted Fw 190 wing undersides - the purpose? Kari Lumppio Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 31 13th March 2006 23:36
Hungarian Fw 190 ? (E-Bay photo) Kari Lumppio Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 26th April 2005 21:40
Low altitude tests: P-47 vs. Fw 190 Six Nifty .50s Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 4 20th April 2005 00:13
The remarkable William Tex Ash, 24 March '42 Brendan Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces 3 4th February 2005 18:55


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:26.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net