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11th July 2016, 17:45
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Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
Hi,
i'm searching for more info about one Hurricane damaged on 19 may 1940 i know 17 Sqn had 2 losses but nothing about this plane...only the code Squadron: 17 Sqn patrol: between Cambrai and Valenciennes time: afternoon code: YB-S seems a combat against I.(J)/LG2 while escorting a Do 17P of 3.(F)/11 i also see a photo in the book, if you need i scan it... the info is from page 30, Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 18 Hurricane Aces 1939-40 expanded edition can you help me with the name of pilot, his fate and the plane serial number ... regards
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#2
11th July 2016, 18:06
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Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
If the details were available, Peter Cornwell would have included it in Battle of France T&N. With what was going on at that time, many records were not included or lost and Peter would be the first to agree with this
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#3
11th July 2016, 21:23
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Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
Hello,
17 Sqdn May 1940 11th N2407-YB-N - P/O Hulton-Harrop - POW N2547 -S/L Tomlinson - Evaded N2403 - F/L Donne - KIA P2758- Sgt Luck - Pow 13th N2454 14th N2397 17th P3277 - S/L Tomlinson - Injured/Safe P2822 - F/O Lines - Safe 19th N2408 - P/O Harris - KIA N2525 - Sgt Pavey - POW 26th P3483 - F/Sgt Jones - KIA ????? - F/Lt Adye KIA Alex
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#4
12th July 2016, 10:39
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Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
Hi,
thanks for your response, i have: 11/05/1940: Fighter Patrol, NL At 17.00 hrs No. 17 Sqdn. claimed three Me 109's (by S/L G.C. Tomlinson, Sgt A.F. Pavey and F/O R.V. Meredith) and two Hs126's (by F/O J. Jeffries and Sgt N.R. Wynn) destroyed, in Rotterdam/Delft/The Hague area. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: N2405, YB-Y Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam Lost: 11/05/1940 Flying Officer (pilot) George W. Slee, RAF 40149, 17 Sqdn., age 27, 11/05/1940, 's Gravendeel (Kerkstraat) General Cemetery, NL Shot down by Bf109s of I./JG51 over ‘s-Gravendeel 5.00 p.m. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: N2403, YB-? Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam Lost: 11/05/1940 Flight Lieutenant (Pilot) Michael S. Donne, RAF 33186, 17 Sqdn., age 23, 11/05/1940, Numansdorp Protestant Cemetery, NL Shot down by Bf109s over Numansdorp 5.00 p.m. Possibly one of those claimed by Oberlt Krafft of 3./JG51 Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: N2407, YB-N Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam Lost: 11/05/1940 P/O O.P. DeL Hulton-Harrop Shot down south of Rotterdam by Me 109 of JG51 at 17.00 hrs, possibly by Lt Terry of Stab I./JG51. He bailed out near Dordrecht and was taken PoW. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: N2547, YB-? Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam Lost: 11/05/1940 S/L George C. Tomlinson, RAF 05214 - safe Forced-landed at Hingene damaged by Bf109s south of Rotterdam 5.00 p.m. Possibly that claimed by Oberlt Schäfer of 5./JG27. S/L G. C. Tomlinson unhurt. Aircraft abandoned. Pilot returned to the UK. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: P2758, YB-? Operation: Patrol Den Haag – Delft – Rotterdam Lost: 11/05/1940 Sgt. J.A.A. Luck, RAF 524114 Shot down by Bf109s in combat over Dordrecht 5.00 p.m. Possibly that claimed by Uffz Schreiter of 3./JG51. Sgt. J.A.A. Luck captured. He was held in Camp 357, Prisoner Number 4116 Sources: CWGC; War over Holland; Air Force PoWs 1939 to 1945; Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008 13/05/1940, ? Hurricanes N3403, N2454, N2405 and N2407 all lost or abandoned on this date. Source: Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008 17/05/1940, Brussels, B No. 17 Sqdn. attacks at 17.00 hrs a formation of Ju87's near Brussels and claims five destroyed enemy a/c. Pilots: S/L G.C. Tomlinson, F/O R.V. Meredith, P/O K. Manger, P/O R.C. Whittaker and F/O A.P. Lines. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: P3277, YB-? Operation: Patrol Lost: 17/05/1940 S/L G.C. Tomlinson - safe Force-landed 16.30 hrs SE of Brussels after combat with Ju 87's of IV(S)/LG1 and set on fire. Pilot slightly injured. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: P2822, YB-? Operation: Patrol Lost: 17/05/1940 F/O A.P. Lines - safe Bailed out after a combat with Me 109s of 8/JG26, south of Brussels. Sources: Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945 18/05/1940, Seclin, F Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson, F/L W.A. Toyne and F/L C.F.G. Adye shared in the destruction of a Do 17, SE of Seclin, 16.25 hrs. At the same time P/O K. Manger and P/O W.J. Harper shared in the destruction of a Me110. Sources: CWGC; War over Holland; Air Force PoWs 1939 to 1945; Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945 19/05/1940: ?, F Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson damaged a Bf 109. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: N2408, YB-? Operation: ? Lost: 19/05/1940 Pilot Officer (Pilot) Robert E. Harris, RAF 33449, age 22,19/05/1940, Noyelles-sur-Selle Communal Cemetery, F Shot down by Me 109 of LG2 near Le Cateau, 16.20 hrs. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: N2525, YB-? Operation: ? Lost: 19/05/1940 Sgt A.F. Pavey - POW Shot down by Me 109 of LG2 and baled out near Cambrai. Sources: CWGC; Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945 21/05/1940: ?, F Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson shared a Hs 126 (or 123?) destroyed. 25/05/1940: ?, F Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson damaged a Ju 87. 26/05/1940: Dunkirk patrol, F Harold 'Birdie' Bird-Wilson shared a Ju 88 destroyed when patrolling the Dunkirk area. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: P3483, YB-? Operation: Dunkirk patrol, F Lost: 26/05/1940 Flight Lieutenant Capel F.G. Adye, RAF 28173 (Canada), 17 Sqdn., age unknown, 26/05/1940, missing. Shot down by Me 109's over the Channel. He managed to bail out, but probably drowned. Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: N2528, YB-? Operation: Dunkirk patrol, F Lost: 26/05/1940 Flight Sergeant William T. Jones, RAF 590275, 17 Sqdn., age 27, 26/05/1940, missing In combat with Do 17's and Me 110's. Sources: CWCG, Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008; Fighter Command Air Combat Claims 1939-1945 29/05/1940: Dunkirk patrol, F Type: Hurricane Mk 1 Serial number: ?, YB-? Operation: Dunkirk patrol, F Lost: 29/05/1940 P/O D.W.H. Hanson - slightly wounded Fight with Me 110's over France. Shell splinters right leg. Source: Norman L.R. Franks, Fighter Command Losses, Vol 1, 1939-1941, Second edition, Midland, 2008 taken from: http://www.epibreren.com/ww2/raf/17_squadron.html#1905 regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland
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#5
12th July 2016, 10:53
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Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
Hi,
i add the time when the battle begins: Sunday 19 May 1940. Hurricanes from 17 and 607 Squadrons, including that of Morley Fidler, were patrolling the skies above Cambrai. At 1600 hours they encountered a Dornier bomber with an escort of Messerschmitts. In the ensuing air battle, Morley Fidler was shot in the head and baled out. Unable to open his parachute, Morley Fidler fell into a field on the outskirts of Bachy. His body was hastily buried where he fell, by a party of passing British soldiers. His Hurricane aircraft crashed some distance away. from http://greatayton.wdfiles.com/local-...WW2-Fidler.pdf dedicated to GEORGE MORLEY FIDLER regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland
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#6
15th July 2016, 13:30
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Re: Hurricane 17 Sqd 19 may 1940
Hi,
many thanks for your help, without more info, it can be closed....... kind regards
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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger [Wingman], you have lost your battle." Dietrich Hrabak "The wingman is absolutely indispensable. I look after the wingman. The wingman looks after me....." Francis S. "Gabby" Gabreski,"The first rule of all air combat is to see the opponent first." Adolf Galland
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