Karl Rammelt Bf-109G6 Q's

[fauste]

I would like to know if the 109 G6 used by Karl Rammelt (code -<<+, II/Jg-51) was equipped with underwing 20 mm guns or not. It was the a/c with a riding -whip painted under the left side of the canopy. Also I think that the a/C has an overpainted yellow fuselage band and yellow rudder.

TIA and regards

Jose Luis

[Brettas]

Hi José Luís,

Karl Rammelt's Bf 109 had the mounted cannon below of the wings. This AC had the emblem of JG 51, but he didn't have strip in the fuselage and the rudder of the tail was white with 32 painted victories.
In the book " Jagdwaffe Vol. four Section 4 - The Mediterranean 1943-1945 " has great images of this Bf 109.
Life Like made a leaf of very good decal with this AC.
I wait to have helped.
Great hug,

Eduardo Parentoni Brettas
www.avesdobrasil.com.br
www.tucanosdasamericas.com.br

[fauste]

I know these photos and I think that the 20 mm gun barbettes are not visible and it is not possible to say that it has guns.
I have seen several profiles with and w/o guns, Life like decals instructions state no guns, the new G6/R2 kit from Fine Molds includes the guns, etc. As usually a lot of different versions existis.
I'm working in this model and I would like to know this detail

Thank you again

Jose Luis

[Brettas]

José Luís,

O Bf 109G-6 do Karl Rammelt devia ter o conhão de 20 embaixo das asas. Deve haver outras fotos deste caça, pois Tom Tulis fez um ótimo desenho incluindo o canhão.
No livro da Osprey "Bf 109 Aces od North Africa and the Maditerranean" na página 44 tras uma ilustração um pouco diferente, este Bf 109 não está com o canhão e a cauda esta sem a pintura branca do leme e sem as vitórias. Esta ilustração deve ter sido feita sem que o artísta conhecesse todas as fotos.
Nesta época, Dezembro de 1943 vários JG baseados na Itália, estavam equipado com o Bf 109G-6 com o canhão sob as asas. Estes esquadrões já enfrentavam grande formações de B 17.
A Life Like realmente não coloca o canhão.
Atenciosamente,

Eduardo Parentoni brettas
www.avesdobrasil.com.br
www.tucanosdasamericas.com.br

[KrisJG3]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p3Q0eKo0Oe...+-+Major02.jpg

[ouidjat]

Hi,

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/B...c-1943-0A.html

No Yellow band and/or tail rudder. And not exactly a riding-whip ... Poor horse. But, maybe, you aren't talking about Rammelt's battle steed?

Regards, Franck.

[ouidjat]

Hi,

Or you have this.
Considering well, I think I'm going to change the caption of this picture. It's not exactly beginning of 1944 and fatigues don't point for Germany, so far!
But:
Profile caption is interesting since it does mention a white fuselage band without painting it and makes an "educated guess" concerning the spinner.
Picture doesn't show any white band (just sun and shadow contrast) and, obviously the spinner is on the ground; full white or better(?) yellow (but bad colours blabla..).
Note that wing and fuselage camouflage is not exactly what's painted on profile too.
Wings white tip(?) not on top.
That picture doesn't permit to see 20mm gun gondola.
Last uniforms look brand new and freshly ironed - PK?


Regards, Franck.

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Brettas

José Luís,

O Bf 109G-6 do Karl Rammelt devia ter o conhão de 20 embaixo das asas. Deve haver outras fotos deste caça, pois Tom Tulis fez um ótimo desenho incluindo o canhão.
No livro da Osprey "Bf 109 Aces od North Africa and the Maditerranean" na página 44 tras uma ilustração um pouco diferente, este Bf 109 não está com o canhão e a cauda esta sem a pintura branca do leme e sem as vitórias. Esta ilustração deve ter sido feita sem que o artísta conhecesse todas as fotos.
Nesta época, Dezembro de 1943 vários JG baseados na Itália, estavam equipado com o Bf 109G-6 com o canhão sob as asas. Estes esquadrões já enfrentavam grande formações de B 17.
A Life Like realmente não coloca o canhão.
Atenciosamente,

Eduardo Parentoni brettas
www.avesdobrasil.com.br
www.tucanosdasamericas.com.br

Eduardo, This is an English only forum unless you are quoting from a period document.

Please write your replies in English.

[ouidjat]

Dear John,

you're right to point that out.
I just want to add that it's the same text in Brettas post #2. Just an empathy between two brasilian members.

Best regards, Franck.