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Old 22nd August 2016, 15:44
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

I still don't see where the shared victories come from on 8 November. In "Poles in Defence of Britian" Robert Gretzyngier states Skalski "claimed the destruction of a Bf109 with others", and in Kenneth Wynns excellent Men of the Battle of Britain he also lists a shared claim but neither indicate there were two shared victories. In John Foremans RAF Fighter Command Victory Claims pt.1 501 Squadron do make claims for two Bf109s destroyed and another damaged (the kills are credited to FL Jones and PO MacKenzie). In his more detailed work "Battle of Britain: the forgotten months" he attributed the same pilots quoting the combat reports, although Jones' claim seems very doubtful. Gretzyngier cites Wynn's work in his bibliography (as well as Foremans) so there is some element of cross-fertilisation. I note also there's no mention of who Skalski shared these victories with. Chris Shores doesn't include them in AH either so....my take is that Skalski may have claimed a victory but that it was attributed to another pilot, whether he awarded himself a share or not. Possibly mirroring some of the claims put forward by him in Poland in 1939 and confirmed (how?) post-war. Maybe he fired at both the Bf109s destroyed but....Kenneth MacKenzie was definitely awarded a full victory and evidence would support Jones also.

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Hello there Brian,

hope you're doing fine.
Could you convince your friend to tell us his opinion about Skalski's total and Keith's intresting considerations ?

Have a very good weekend,

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Good morning Gentlemen,

Mr Grabowski has published this marvellous Skalski biography
https://www.amazon.de/Skalski-Agains...5&sr=8-1-fkmr0
which can be considered definite.
Sadly, he smashes my hopes of finding confirmation for Christopher Shores's proposition that 2 of Skalski's probable claims during the Polish campaign were upgraded to confirmed kills postwar.
I wonder what the motivation of Mr Shores was.

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Michael
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