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Old 1st May 2006, 13:20
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Re: Late-war Bf 109 question

Many thanks Richard! Do you have any details about the Bf 109 G-10/R6 losses? The R6 Rüstsatz had the twin 20mm gunpods.

The attack was executed by a single Me 109 and seems to have been an isolated incident from any bigger battles. The 109 came from a cloudbank to the east or south-east of the Mustangs' flightpath (heading south). The pilot of the 109 was KIA. He tried to bail out but was possibly hit by .50 cal fire and never managed. The 109 went into a vertical dive and crashed into the ground.
The veteran also mentioned that the pilot seemed confused what to do and on the initial attack didn't keep enough deflection. It's likely the pilot was rather new (thus lower rank?).

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I just found this: http://www.jg300.de/data/1945.php
Do you have any additions to information mentioned there, especially with regards to the R6 versions and possible time (around noon) and pilot's faith (KIA)?
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Re: Late-war Bf 109 question

I just returned from a research trip to DC. There were several items located relating to Bf 109 subtype production. There are detailed breakdowns for subtypes through March 1945. No K-6s, however, Neubau G-6s were still coming off the line as late as February 1945. The last dated document from the GAF QM was April 11, 1945, indicating that Neubau subtypes included, G-10s, G-14s and K-4s through the end of April. Not too much happened after that. I am not certain which Monogram publication is being refered to on the Bf 109 K, but if it is the Close-Up, that was put together many years ago and a lot of very detailed late war production data has come to light since then. Also, it seems pretty clear the "K" series was designed at WNF, not Me, another indication that the Monogram book may be out of date regarding currently available source material.

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ps. The material from this trip includes Me Monatsmeldung for much of 1943 and RLM Monatsmeldung (Thanks to Rabe Anton) for much of 1941. This means the Bf 109 production breakdown by subtype and factory for these periods is now in hand.
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Old 1st May 2006, 14:59
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Re: Late-war Bf 109 question

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Many thanks Richard! Do you have any details about the Bf 109 G-10/R6 losses? The R6 Rüstsatz had the twin 20mm gunpods.

The attack was executed by a single Me 109 and seems to have been an isolated incident from any bigger battles. The 109 came from a cloudbank to the east or south-east of the Mustangs' flightpath (heading south). The pilot of the 109 was KIA. He tried to bail out but was possibly hit by .50 cal fire and never managed. The 109 went into a vertical dive and crashed into the ground.
The veteran also mentioned that the pilot seemed confused what to do and on the initial attack didn't keep enough deflection. It's likely the pilot was rather new (thus lower rank?).

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I just found this: http://www.jg300.de/data/1945.php
Do you have any additions to information mentioned there, especially with regards to the R6 versions and possible time (around noon) and pilot's faith (KIA)?
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Ronnie the G-10/R6 were the adverse weather flying 109s, both the G-10 or G-10/R6 could be equipped with Rüstsatz R VI.
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Re: Late-war Bf 109 question

Artie Bob, thanks for the heads-up. Yes it's the old Monogram Close-Up book. Of course it isn't up to date, but I was curious where the info about the K-6 came from. I have sent the author an e-mail to see where he found that information.


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Ronnie the G-10/R6 were the adverse weather flying 109s, both the G-10 or G-10/R6 could be equipped with Rüstsatz R VI.
I see... That's a bit confusing that R"6" was used for two different things!
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Re: Late-war Bf 109 question

Ronnie,

Get the JaPo books on the K and G-10.
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