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19th May 2006, 06:54
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Aerial Battles around Kiev October 1943
Hello guys
III./JG 51 was based at Poltawa in October 1943 along with IV./JG 51 in October 1943. IV./JG 51 was also based at Orscha in October 1943, all this according to www.ww2.dk/air/jagd/jg51.htm Note that although this web page states that III./JG 51 was flying the Bf 109 G-6 at the time it really was flying the Fw 190 A-4, A-5 and A-6 as can be seen at www.ww2.dk/oob/bestand/jagd/biiijg51.html Stabsstaffel/JG 51 was also operating in the south at the time but I do not know from which particular base although possibly the same as III./JG 51. I hope this helps out at least a little. Horrido! Leo Last edited by Leo Etgen; 21st May 2006 at 05:50. 
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19th May 2006, 11:21
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Re: Aerial Battles around Kiev October 1943
Thanks Leo, JG51 is a good hint!
But... the Wehrmacht left Poltawa on 22nd of September 1943. So, no Luftwaffe unit could have been stationed there in October 1943  . I assume there is another place called "Poltawa" far more West then the big city we all know from the US-shuttle-raids...Who kows another Poltawa on the right bank of the Dniepr?
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19th May 2006, 14:08
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Re: Aerial Battles around Kiev October 1943
Mapquest shows 3 Poltavas in Ukraine:
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...=&city=poltava
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19th May 2006, 14:24
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Re: Aerial Battles around Kiev October 1943
Hey, that is a good way of finding places!
Nevertheless, it is no solution of our riddle, because the "other" Poltavas aer even lesswestwards then the big one... strange...
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#16
22nd May 2006, 13:38
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Re: Aerial Battles around Kiev October 1943
After some research, I propose the following german-hungarian OOB:
Stab/JG51 (Fw190) I/JG51 (Fw190) IIIJG51 (Fw190) IV/JG51 (Me109) II/JG54 (Fw190) 5., 6., 12./JG54 (Fw190A-4,5,6) Stab, II,III / KG3 (Ju88 ) KG4 (He111) I, II / KG53 (He111) SG77 (Ju87, Fw190F) NSGr.4 (Doppeldecker) Transporter (Ju52, Me323) dt. Aufklärer (Fw189, Me109) ung.Stuka-Staffel (Ju87D) ung.Bomber-Staffel (Ju88 ) ung.Nahaufkl.-Staffel (Fw189) ung. Fernaukl.-Staffel (Ju88 ) with the following numbers of planes in PF: Ju88: 84 He111H: 160 Bf109G4: 23 Bf109G6: 17 Fw190A-4: 34 Fw190A-5: 55 Fw190A-6: 41 Ju87D3: 43 Ju87D5: 36 Ju87G: 4 Fw189: 32 Fiat DoDe: 30 Ju52: 40 Me323: 6 Storch: 30 SUMME: 635 Any comments? Or is it just figure-f**king which doesn't interest anyone else    ?
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23rd May 2006, 04:01
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Re: Aerial Battles around Kiev October 1943
This may help. Here is a Luftwaffe oob for Kursk.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaver...2/lwkursk.html Henry
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