any MiG-1 aces

[knusel]

Good evening oquaig,

according to Mr Abramov's website
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/p/pokryshk.htm
Pokryshkin flew the MiG-3 until summer'42.
He scored at least 3,5 [3+1sh] and at most 8 [6+4sh] kills in that type.
Can we narrow the gap somehow ?

Cheers,

Michael

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by knusel

Good evening oquaig,

according to Mr Abramov's website
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/p/pokryshk.htm
Pokryshkin flew the MiG-3 until summer'42.
He scored at least 3,5 [3+1sh] and at most 8 [6+4sh] kills in that type.
Can we narrow the gap somehow ?

Cheers,

Michael

Actually Abramov's site only shows four claims for Pokryshkin in the MIG-3 ( 2Me 109s, 1 PLZ, 1 Hs126). You might have a look at Denes Bernad's book "From Barbarossa to Odessa" for claims. It contains detailed account of air actions thru to October 1941.

Khazanov & Medved book on the MiG-3 is not foot noted so it is hard to track down their claims but they did list their sources:
ЦАМО РФ, ф. 35, ф. 208. ф. 221. ф. 246, ф. 319. ф. 20045, ф. 20064. ф. 202256. ф. 20425, ф. 20530,
ф 60676, ф НИИ ВВС, ф. 2-го гв. илп, ф 5-го гв, кап, 11-го гв нал, ф. 31-го пап, ф. 34-го пап,
ф. 41-го паи, ф. 115-го гв. иди, ф. 122-го иап.ф. 148-го идп, ф. 263 го идп
BA/MA RL 2 111/1177, 2 111/1178. »Flugzeugunfaelle und Verluste den (fliegende) Verbaenden»

best wishes
oquaig

[knusel]

Hello oquaig,

as far as I can understand Mr. Abramov's website with my limited Russian skills the Pokryshkin page acknowledges 46+6sh kills of which 43+3sh are given in the list. This leaves 3+3sh kills open to further search, doesn't it ?

Cheers,

Michael

[oquaig]

Originally Posted by knusel

Hello oquaig,

as far as I can understand Mr. Abramov's website with my limited Russian skills the Pokryshkin page acknowledges 46+6sh kills of which 43+3sh are given in the list. This leaves 3+3sh kills open to further search, doesn't it ?

Cheers,

Michael

If you paste in Abramov's web address into the google search box it will bring up the page with the option to "translate page" this gives a decent (but not perfect) translation for Russian to English (or German). According to Abramov "The final combat account of 59 personal kills, widely represented in the memoir and Journalistic literature (Soviet Opera) is not supported by the documents of TsAMO RF" (RF: Russian Federation) as listed in the Khazanov & Medved book on the MiG-3.

This means someone has to research the TsAMO RF documents for the regiments he served in order to sort out the real data. I personally do not give a hang about fighter jockey scores. I only study the 1941 campaign in terms of all aircraft, not just fighter jockeys. Give me some time and I can connect you with someone who can help you acquire the TsAMO docs you will need to finish your research, if you so wish. These documents are readily available (for a price, but cheaper than NARA or BA/MA docs). I will send you a PM, if you are interested.

Best wishes
oquaig

[knusel]

Hello oquaig,

my main Pokryshkin interest is his exact P-39 score because he the second ranking ace of that type with at least 40 and at most 44,5 Airacobra kills.

Being a 1941 campaign expert with much knowledge also about the non-fighter pilots, would you be so kind to have a look at my Sdobnov thread ?
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showth...709#post237709

Michael

[knusel]

With possibly no kills ever scored by the MiG-1, I determined the top-scorers of the other types:
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=62356