KG53 losses on 23.10.41

[Rottler]

Hello Stig,

I had no finger trouble, I have only quoted an incorrect entry in the Gen.Qu. loss report. You are right, the WNr. 2484 was a He 111 P-1 from the block 2458-2504 built by EHF.

In the Gen.Qu. loss report from 27 October 1942 is listed:

22.10 III./KG 53 Feindflug Ort: Unbekannt Ursache: Unbekannt
He 111 H-6 4369 A1+IR (R = 7. Staffel) 100%
F Lt Reinhard Puschmann vermisst
Bf Ofw Werner Zath vermisst
Bf Uffz Helmut Klos vermisst
Bm Uffz Hermann Puschmann vermisst
Bs Uffz Luis Hummel vermisst.
Misspellings are possible, I have no NVM.

I'll elaborate the losses from 23 October later.

Regards
Leo

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thomas

I have no way of knowing how accurate Kiehl is/was. His book is after all some 35 years old by now.

From where I sit, he at least seems to have tried to group the crews together.
Obviously he was not successful all the time, such as in the case of the unfortunate BS Puschmann whom I faultily mentioned in the present context)
The man I ment was actually Uffz Alfred Willnauer, also a BS in 7./KG 53 who was lost seemingly alone on the 23rd. I guess I was so confused by two Puschmanns that I lost track of the date...

Leo
Thanks for checking, and especially for clearing up the Puschmann mystery for me. Very much appreciated!!
Also since you are then quite innocent regarding the WNr 2484 it looks like GQM is the culprit since I doubt KG 53 would operate a frontline P-1 in late 1941. Would you or anyone else venture a guess and say that WNr 4284 is a good bet for the Gäbler crew?

B Rgds
Stig

[Rottler]

Hello Stig,

the WNr. 2484 in the loss list is a typo, 4284 is entirely possible.

Now some details about the crews:

He 111 H-6 4248 A1+IP 100%
F Uffz Heinrich Wittkamp dead
B Fw Max Zieselsberger dead
Bf Uffz Xaver Böck dead
Bm Gefr Klaus Betasch dead
Bs Gefr Helmut Häusler dead

He 111 H-6 4477 A1+HS 100%
F Lt Georg Gade vermisst
B Gefr Edwin Wagner vermisst
Bf Uffz Hans Braumlich vermisst
Bm Fw Paul Hagedorn vermisst
Bs Uffz Hugo Röllig vermisst

He 111 H-6 4285 A1+KR 100%
F Fw Gustav Bode vermisst
B Uffz Josef Rommel vermisst
Bf Uffz Kurt Richte vermisst
Bm Fw Georg Geltinger verletzt zurück
Bs Uffz Alfred Wilnauer vermisst

He 111 H-6 2484 (typo) A1+CR 100%
F Oblt Oswald Gäbler vermisst
B Uffz Heinrich Rudolph vermisst
Bf Ofw Fritz Bayer vermisst
Bm Uffz Adolf Hamann vermisst
Bs Uffz Karl Glaser vermisst

He 111 H-6 4243 A1+FP 100%
F Uffz Max Franke vermisst
B Gefr Hermann Gröttinger vermisst
Bf Gefr Helmut Tiery vermisst
Bm Uffz Jakob Bühler vermisst
Bs Uffz KarlJenner vermisst

Gen.Qu. correction from 23 August 1942 ee):
Uffz Franke, Gefr Göttinger, Gefr Tiery unverletzt zurück.

Correction from 5 November 1941 o):
Uffz Bühler, Uffz Jenner verletzt zurück.

Regards
Leo

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks again Leo

Really appreciate all your efforts!!
Now, let me just update Kiehl a bit...

B Rgds
Stig

[Thomas H]

Thank you Leo for writing it all down!

So the loss of the Staka from 9. Staffel on the 23th can not be confirmed in any way and look like to be a mistake made by Weal.

Regards, Thomas

[Rottler]

Hello Thomas,

to your post #3:
Sometimes the function of a pilot like Staffelkapitän is called, in these cases are no entries.

Further losses of III./KG 53 around the 23 October 1941:
2.10. 8./KG 53 He 111 H-6 5349 (typo or a H-2) Besatzung Fw Grave (Grave unverletzt)
7.10. 7./KG 53 He 111 H-6 4376 Besatzung Fw Kunz
22.10. 7./KG 53 He 111 H-6 4369 Besatzung Lt Puschmann
23.10. III./KG 53 He 111 H-5 3991 Notlandung 70%
15.11. 8./KG 53 He 111 H-5 3926 Besatzung Fw Grave (vermisst).

Regards
Leo

[Stig Jarlevik]

Thanks for the additional details Leo

Cheers
Stig