Anton Hackl

[PMoz99]

Thanks for the detailed info on the references Nick.
Using that info I checked my copies of Weal's book and Schiffer's Luftwaffe Aces vol1.
The FW190/Bf109 info relates to Hackl's time with JG11 in 1944. The FW190 photo is dated April 11 1944, but whether the date was simply "guessed" by counting the kill markings and then checking the date on which Hackl had that number, I can't say.
Unfortunately, the Bf109G-6 pic has no date. Given it shows 132 kills, that would suggest January 1944, but there's nothing to confirm this.
Peter

[knusel]

Hello Peter,

thanks for your assessment.
A different kind of primary source is Hackl's rudder
http://www.axiswarprize.com/anton-hackl.html
which reveals that he was transferred away from the Russian front after 118 kills.

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by knusel

Hello Peter,

thanks for your assessment.
A different kind of primary source is Hackl's rudder
http://www.axiswarprize.com/anton-hackl.html
which reveals that he was transferred away from the Russian front after 118 kills.

Have a nice weekend,

Michael

Interesting - older lists give his 118th as a Spitfire on 7th January 1943 at 1145am. 7km SW of Sirte airfield @ 6-7000m, which corresponds to 92 sqn. ER279 of F/S T R Broomhall MIA and serial unknown Sgt. H Patterson (baled out). That would be a slight overclaim as Burkhardt and Reinert also claimed ( = 3 claims, but only two losses...)

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by PMoz99

Thanks for the detailed info on the references Nick.
Using that info I checked my copies of Weal's book and Schiffer's Luftwaffe Aces vol1.
The FW190/Bf109 info relates to Hackl's time with JG11 in 1944. The FW190 photo is dated April 11 1944, but whether the date was simply "guessed" by counting the kill markings and then checking the date on which Hackl had that number, I can't say.
Unfortunately, the Bf109G-6 pic has no date. Given it shows 132 kills, that would suggest January 1944, but there's nothing to confirm this.
Peter

11 April 1944 is the date of Hackl's 141st according to older lists, Peter, so your theory of that date looks correct. As for his 132nd, 11 January 1944 is correct by the older lists so the 'he flew one of each concurrently' story is looking a little shaky - exactly 3 months difference between the two dates leaves me asking where the story really came from. Perhaps Hackl said it to Barbas in an interview that we cannot obtain.

[PMoz99]

Nick, if the claims are correct, then they were almost certainly in a D. JG26 converted to D's in Nov 1944, and their remaining A's were either lost in accidents or transferred out, probably early in December.

Getting back to Michael's question about JG300, Hackl was only credited with 1 kill with this unit - in Feb 1945.

There are only 5 JG300 kills recorded in Feb 1945 - the one to Hackl as a Stab pilot and 4 listing the pilot as unknown and simply stating the unit as JG300.

The uncertainty regarding the a/c Hackl was flying when he made that claim lies in online sources (no doubt one copied the other) stating that in the period Dec-Apr 1945, Stab JG300 had FW190A and Bf109G. The G's they had in Oct and Nov were G-14's. BUT the movement and on-hand info only lists FW190A in Dec 1944. Unfortunately, there is no more detailed info after that, so if Stab JG300 did indeed get more Bf109G's in 1945, we have no idea when or how many. Note Hackl was GeK from 30 Jan to 20 Feb only.

Lexikon der Wehrmacht states I and III Gruppen had Bf109G, Stab and II FW190A, but doesn't say if this was for the whole of its existence, at inception, or whenever.

That does not rule out the possibility that he simply commandeered a Bf109G from one of the Gruppen whenever he felt like it.

Does anyone have the 2 JG300 volumes by Lorant and Goyat? Maybe the answer is there.

Peter

[Nick Hector]

Originally Posted by PMoz99

Nick, if the claims are correct, then they were almost certainly in a D. JG26 converted to D's in Nov 1944, and their remaining A's were either lost in accidents or transferred out, probably early in December.

Getting back to Michael's question about JG300, Hackl was only credited with 1 kill with this unit - in Feb 1945.

There are only 5 JG300 kills recorded in Feb 1945 - the one to Hackl as a Stab pilot and 4 listing the pilot as unknown and simply stating the unit as JG300.

The uncertainty regarding the a/c Hackl was flying when he made that claim lies in online sources (no doubt one copied the other) stating that in the period Dec-Apr 1945, Stab JG300 had FW190A and Bf109G. The G's they had in Oct and Nov were G-14's. BUT the movement and on-hand info only lists FW190A in Dec 1944. Unfortunately, there is no more detailed info after that, so if Stab JG300 did indeed get more Bf109G's in 1945, we have no idea when or how many. Note Hackl was GeK from 30 Jan to 20 Feb only.

Lexikon der Wehrmacht states I and III Gruppen had Bf109G, Stab and II FW190A, but doesn't say if this was for the whole of its existence, at inception, or whenever.

That does not rule out the possibility that he simply commandeered a Bf109G from one of the Gruppen whenever he felt like it.

Does anyone have the 2 JG300 volumes by Lorant and Goyat? Maybe the answer is there.

Peter

I have the Lorant and Goyat volumes - he gets the very briefest of mentions in them and there's definitely nothing to answer the original question in that sense.
I do definitely agree with your assertion that his claims with JG 26 that I listed were most likely made in a Dora. After all, if an Unteroffizier and a Feldwebel were KIA that day in Doras, then surely the Kommandeur would hardly be flying an older type Anton (that's my logic and I take it you agree). If you would like to view my copies of Lorant and Goyat, send me a PM