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Old 2nd January 2018, 00:24
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Re: Chi Chi Jima incident, Japanese War Crimes

According to US Navy records Hintz was flying SB2C-1C BuNo 18547. BuNo 01169 was another VB-1 loss that same day (Wright/Pryor).
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According to US Navy records Hintz was flying SB2C-1C BuNo 18547. BuNo 01169 was another VB-1 loss that same day (Wright/Pryor).
Thank you, George.

Might you offer a specific source reference for this content beyond "Navy Records"

Hmmm, is this a contrary record here

https://books.google.com/books?id=s1...0Hintz&f=false

Or is this reference in error?

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VB-1 lost 3 SB2C-1c Helldivers in the morning mission at Chi Chi Jima. The losses are covered in VB-1 ACA-1 report #23 which does not give the aircraft BuNos. Crew losses were Hintz/Woellhof, Wright/Pryor, and Drysdale/Dalton. Two sources give further information, including BuNos. In Record Group 24, Bureau of Naval Personnel (I do not know the Entry Number), in Box 45 and 46 are four folders of losses by name, mostly covering 1944-45, but incomplete for that period. In addition, in box 46 there are four folders of aircraft losses by aircraft type and date. Both of these RG 24 sources give the BuNos, respectively 01169, 18547, and 18548 (to match the above names). Finally, Yorktown's Deck Log for July 4, 1944 lists these losses with BuNos, which agrees with the above.

Campbell's three World War 2 loss books are basically a copy of the aircraft losses in Box 46 (Naval Aircraft Losses Outside the Zone of the Interior). No additional research in the losses was done for the books, so errors in the Box 46 material are duplicated in Campbell's books.

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VB-1 lost 3 SB2C-1c Helldivers in the morning mission at Chi Chi Jima. The losses are covered in VB-1 ACA-1 report #23 which does not give the aircraft BuNos. Crew losses were Hintz/Woellhof, Wright/Pryor, and Drysdale/Dalton. Two sources give further information, including BuNos. In Record Group 24, Bureau of Naval Personnel (I do not know the Entry Number), in Box 45 and 46 are four folders of losses by name, mostly covering 1944-45, but incomplete for that period. In addition, in box 46 there are four folders of aircraft losses by aircraft type and date. Both of these RG 24 sources give the BuNos, respectively 01169, 18547, and 18548 (to match the above names). Finally, Yorktown's Deck Log for July 4, 1944 lists these losses with BuNos, which agrees with the above.
Frank,

Hope you would help me understand this a little better. Can you share a document related to RG 24 sources giving the BuNos, respectively 01169, 18547, and 18548. And, as important the Yorktown's Deck Log.

Here is where some of my confusion (ignorance) begins (on this topic). The Yorktown war diary for action on 4 July 1944 starts here on fold3, 3 pages attached.

https://www.fold3.com/image/279786711

There must be some error here by me or in this record as I do not see Bombing Squadron One (VB-1) even represented here coming from the deck of Yorktown during this action. Perhaps even worse this record shows three SB2C lost (FTR) offering abbreviated BuNos #53, #48, and #64; where "maybe" #48 correlates to 18548

Was able to find an image of Ensign Owen M Hintz in the NAS Corpus Christi, TX cruise book "The Slipstream" 3 June 1943, appears to be a graduate of Battalion 3, likely trained at Cuddihy, Field. Back row 8th from the left. Always good to put faces with these MIA names when possible.

https://www.fold3.com/image/30318432...en%20M%20Hintz
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Scott,
PM me your email address, and I will send some pages from NARA II. I have no way to post them, and no time to find out how to post them.

48, 53, and 64 are unrelated to the BuNos. They are the aircraft squadron numbers, usually assigned permanently to the aircraft for its time with the squadron. Number might change when the aircraft moved to a different squadron.

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