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Old 10th June 2018, 11:56
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list

Good morning Gentlemen,

by the way, for my continent top aces I used the continental borders of today. I know they were of little significance in the days of WW2 but for my thought experiment I had to devise rules.

As I wrote in post32 the Caldwell kill whose location I'm most interested in is his shared Fiat G.50 on 16Aug1941.

I'll keep at it,

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Old 10th June 2018, 12:09
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list

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Good morning Gentlemen,

by the way, for my continent top aces I used the continental borders of today. I know they were of little significance in the days of WW2 but for my thought experiment I had to devise rules.

As I wrote in post32 the Caldwell kill whose location I'm most interested in is his shared Fiat G.50 on 16Aug1941.

I'll keep at it,

Michael
p.230 of "Clive Caldwell Air Ace" by Kristen Alexander states half a FIAT G.50 "off Bardia" on 16 August.

p.245 of "A History of the Mediterranean Air War vol 1" does not credit him with any kind of victory on 16 August. Instead, a G.50 the next day, on 17 August during a convoy patrol.
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p.246 states a Bf109 on 18 August 1941 that was claimed as a damaged. Sgt. R T C Whittle claimed a probable in the same engagement. That particular convoy was off Ras-el-Mil
On the other side of the coin Hermann Foerster of 2./JG 27 shot down AK554 of Sgt. G M McCullough KIA (badly damaged, crashed on landing)
Location of Foerster's kill was E of Ras Azzaz

NOTHING for 16 August in that source....

Kristen Alexander is the BEST published source on Caldwell
Shores et al is the BEST published source on the Mediterranean air war
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list

Good morning Gentlemen,

currently, I'm contemplating about David Hill's first kill which I read as being scored over "Rahang". I know only of a Rahang in Malaysia and I am surprised that the AVG operated so far south.

Have a nice Tuesday,

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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list

Soviet Tomahawk / Kittyhawk Aces

1. Pokryshev, Petr Afanasevich / Покрышев Пётр Афанасьевич = 14+6
2. Mikhalin, Mikhail Fedorovich / Михалин Михаил Федорович = 14+2
3. Litavrin, Sergei Gavrilovich / Литаврин Сергей Гаврилович = 13+0
4. Mitrokhin, Vasilii Borisovich / Митрохин Василий Борисович = 12+0
4. Repkin, Petr Afanasevich / Репкин Пётр Афанасьевич = 12+0
5. Zzotov, Viktor Alexeevich / Зотов Виктор Алексеевич = 11+11

Source:
Bykov, Mikhail: All aces of Stalin 1936-1953, Moscow: Yauza, 2014.
Быков, Михаил Юрьевич: Все асы Сталина 1936 – 1953 гг., Серия: Элитная энциклопедия ВВС. Такой книги еще не было!, Издательство: Яуза-Пресс, 2014. ISBN: 978-5-699-67789-4
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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list

Jan Safarik is a forum member ?
Cool !
I like your website very much, especially those topics that are rarely discussed elsewhere.

You're right, Mr Bykov ranks his aces by their individual kills.
For my own personal notes I chose to add the decimals of the shared kills to the individual kills. It's just more of my liking.

I think we can safely say that Nikolai Zelenov scored above Europe only because the German advance was stopped before it reached Asian ground. To find the locations of his 17+8sh P-40 kills on Russian maps was rather difficult for me because I'm not very good in Russian. I found all those 25 places in what is today Russia but I cannot exclude that there are places of the same name in countries like Belarus or Ukraine and that these places are the correct ones.
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/zh/zelenov_na.htm

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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list

Good morning dear Jan Safarik,

do you consider adding Ilya Sizov to your website?
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1...B2%D0%B8%D1%87

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Re: Curtiss P-40 top ten ace list

Good morning,

currently, I'm trying to prove the intrigueing possibility that the consecutively numbered aircraft types P-38, P-39 and P-40 were the only planes that scored on all five continents each. The only item missing is a definite P-39 kill over Asia. The hottest cadidates are:
Edward Sharpe: 4Jul44
Howard Cox: 2Aug44
Phillip Van Sickle: 9Aug44
Earl Roggenbauer: 14Jan45
Edward Slasienski&Jules Young 14Jan45
Phillip Van Sickle: 17Jan45

of the 81. Fighter Group during their tour in the CBI.

Is there any chance to prove that one of them flew the P-39 ?

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