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Old 24th June 2018, 12:06
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Good morning Peter,

"Entscheidende Luftschlachten des 2. Weltkriegs" in which Christopher Shores proposed a postwar upgrade of two of Skalski's probable Polish campaign kills to confirmed kills was published earlier (1988) than "ACES HIGH Vol2" (1999) from which you refer to a Skalski total of 18,25. That means that even Shores himself ceased suggesting that upgrade.
I'll say goodbye to a PZL P.11 score of 6,25 for Skalski. :-(

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Michael
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

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Good morning Peter,

"Entscheidende Luftschlachten des 2. Weltkriegs" in which Christopher Shores proposed a postwar upgrade of two of Skalski's probable Polish campaign kills to confirmed kills was published earlier (1988) than "ACES HIGH Vol2" (1999) from which you refer to a Skalski total of 18,25. That means that even Shores himself ceased suggesting that upgrade.
I'll say goodbye to a PZL P.11 score of 6,25 for Skalski. :-(

Cheers,

Michael
Hello,

For English readers, see:

Duel For The Sky:Ten Crucial Air Battles of World War II Vividly Recreated.
Shores,Christopher
New York: Doubleday & Co.,1985
pp.13-28 (Blitzkrieg on Poland - September 1939 [Sklaski item p.26]).

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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Michael, AH2 score adjustments from AH1 are somewhat confusing.
AH1 has him with a score of 21-24, depending on whether you accept his 3 claims of 5 Sep 1940 for which he never filed a combat report. Apparently JH Lacey was going to do the report for him, but never did. So without any further comment, AH2 simply ignores these 3 claims.
AH2 also deletes 1 kill on 1/9/39 and reduces one of the claims on 3/9/40 to a 1/4 share. So 24-3-1-0.75=19.25=19+1
BUT in the summary of claims AH2 states the score was 18+3sh !!! How he arrived at that, I don't know.
The possibilities are -
1 the 2sh on 8/11/40 mentioned earlier in this thread are somehow connected and he included them in the total but omitted to update the details, and
2 a claim on 21/8/41 still included in AH2 but recorded as a damaged only in the other 2 lists was also discarded to make 18+3, but the change again not recorded in the details.
Whatever the answer, I can't make Shores' lists and totals equate with the info as it is given.
Also, I think I made a mistake adding the claims from the list given earlier in this thread - on re-checking I think it adds up to 18.92.
Sorry if it sounds confusing. Have sent you a spreadsheet setting it out.
Peter
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Re: Stanislaw, Skalski

Good morning Peter,

yes, sometimes the info given in ACES HIGH is confusing.
See also
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=45616
Is there any chance to contact Mr Shores ?

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Michael
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