Me 109 blocks 464400- AS?

[Eduardo]

Was there any G-14 AS models within this block? 464400 - 464500.
Was there any G-14 planes within this block? 412xxx and 413xxx.

Eduardo.

[John Beaman]

Originally Posted by Eduardo

Was there any G-14 AS models within this block? 464400 - 464500.
Was there any G-14 planes within this block? 412xxx and 413xxx.

Eduardo.

No G-14/AS in that block found so far. As for the G-6 blocks, yes quite a few.

[Eduardo]

Exploring more carefully the 412xxx block I would ask if this block was
dedicated only for G-6 or it may have some G-14 among them?
If so,please between which range?

Eduardo.

[John Beaman]

What records I have indicate that the 4127xx - 412899 range had some G-14 and G-14/AS. Far more of each type are in the 413xxx range.

[Eduardo]

Thanks John.

Eduardo.

[George Hopp]

413601 was the first G-14 shot down and captured by the Allies in Normandy, at 09:30 on 22 July 1944, by light AA fire near Fontenay-le-Possnel. I placed the article on the a/c description in The 109 Lair (http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/index1024.htm).

[Rasmussen]

The designation "G - 14" was found on the ID plate (registered in the report) or it's your educated guess from technical description?

Best wishes
Rasmussen

[Kuba Plewka]

As far as I remeber, this raport describes MW instalation, oxygen Kugelflaschen moved to wing, different spark plugs and boost gauge marked with 1,70 ata.
What is really fascinating - the inner undercarriage doors surfaces are described as red primer painted.
Wasn't it just a sign for a ground crew that this one needs C-3 fuel?

[ArtieBob]

Dear Rasmussen,
In general, both the GB and USA intelligence teams only identified LW aircraft subtypes using using id plate data (and generally removed the plate and placed them in an envelope attached it to the original copy of the report). If you look at the reports there are many where if there was not a plate, the subtype simply is not specified, but the engine, armarment data, etc. are described. The reason for this appears pretty straightforward, as the Allies were certainly unable to follow production line changes and parallel production of multiple subtypes. It is difficult to do even with primary LW documentation. This is another reason why it is almost certain that G-6 production at Erla continued into 1945. Looking at both the LW loss and Allied intelligence lists, G-6 aircraft are found within blocks of W.Nr. that are primarily G-14s from Erla. It seems certain that G-14 production did not begin at Erla until August, so it would appear that G-6 production did continue in parallel with G-14 and were both "badged" and recognized in production reports as such.

Best regards,

Artie Bob

[Rasmussen]

Originally Posted by ArtieBob

...In general, both the GB and USA intelligence teams only identified LW aircraft subtypes using using id plate data (and generally removed the plate and placed them in an envelope attached it to the original copy of the report). If you look at the reports there are many where if there was not a plate, the subtype simply is not specified, but the engine, armarment data, etc. are described.

Dear Artie Bob,

that's ok but I was interested on this specific a/c .

This is another reason why it is almost certain that G-6 production at Erla continued into 1945. Looking at both the LW loss and Allied intelligence lists, G-6 aircraft are found within blocks of W.Nr. that are primarily G-14s from Erla.

Here I'm interested on examples (especially allied reports) because I don't know such cases.

It seems certain that G-14 production did not begin at Erla until August, so it would appear that G-6 production did continue in parallel with G-14 and were both "badged" and recognized in production reports as such.

I disagree because
1. the first "G - 14" were delivered in July 1944 (under the designation "G - 6 MW50")
2. the Erla production reports (official and internal) doesn't mentioned such an G - 6 production after August 1944 (it's surprising when RLM clerks knew more about Erla production than Erla clerks).

Best wishes
Rasmussen

P.S.: Excuse me my terrible English.