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26th July 2006, 16:26
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hi,
10-5-1940 Re 87 Sqn could be Voase Jeff or Saunders. First in early am at Doncourt second in post noon. But L1779 was an 85 Sqn a/c pilot was Lee. L1979 was shot down on the 11th not the 10th, near Hazebrouck by 109's pilot Hemingway a/c letter either "X" or "Y" dont know if code "VY" used. Again re N2454, this was lost on the 13th not the 10th at Hergene and abandoned upon evacuation according to Air Brits L1000-N9999. Re Deere's a/c from his book Nine lives he recalls seeing the "Kiwi" motif being eaten up in the flames. Alex 
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26th July 2006, 23:00
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hi Alex,
I'm confused now. Regarding the N2454 you refer to this one as the machine of Sqn Ldr Tomlinson, that made an emergency landing at Hingene (not Hergene) in Belgium on May 11 after fights over Dordrecht. However, according 12 Days in May Tomlinson was flying N2547. Who is right or which is the other plane? Pieter
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27th July 2006, 23:52
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hello Pieter,
Re I'm confused. I know that I am, where did you see that I refered to N2454 as the a/c that S/L Tomlinson used on the 11th May ? I quote what I said "re N2454, this was lost on the 13th not the 10th at Hergene (Spelt this way in book)and abandoned upon evacuation according to Air Brits L1000-N9999." No memtion of Tomlinson there. Now, as for N2454 Air Britain series L1000 - N9999 Page 130 N2454 17 Damaged by Bf109's and Force-landed, Hergene,(Again spelt this way in book) Belgium, 13.5.40; abandoned on evacuation. FCL vol 1 page 21 13th May 1940 17 Sqn Hurricane I N2454 Pilot ? Fate ? Damaged in combat with Me109's. Force-Landed at Hergens,(again as in book) Belgium. Abandoned. 12 Days in May No mention of N2454 As for Sqn Ldr George C. Tomlinson FCL vol 1 page 19 11th May 1940 17 Sqn Hurricane I N2547 Pilot:S/Ldr G.C.Tomlinson Fate: Safe Patrol. Shot down by Me109 near the Hague. Evaded and returned to UK. See also 17th May 1940. FCL vol 1 page 24 17th May 1940 17 Sqn Hurricane I P3277 Pilot:S/Ldr G.C.Tomlinson Fate: Safe Patrol. Force Landed SE of Brussels after combat with Ju87's; set wreck on fire. See also 11th May 1940. 12 Days in May Page 58/59 11th May 1940 17 Squadron , led by Sqn Ldr George Tomlinson (N2547), which departed RAF Martlesham Heath at 1630. he was able to force land safely and made his way to Amiens, from where two days later he was flown back to England. Page 78 11th May 1940 Tomlinson claimed a Bf109. Page 79 11th May 1940 Tomlinson in N2547 of 17 Sqn a/c damaged by Bf109 of I/JG51 and force landed at Knokke; pilot unhurt returned. Page 193 Sqn Ldr George %Tomlinson-recently returned fropm his adventures in Holland- picked off onewhich fell burning to the ground.Another immediately manoeuvred onto his tail and in trying to out turn this he stalled and force landed P3277 about 15 miles south east of Brussels, suffering facial injuries. Page 195 17th May 1940 Sqn Ldr Tomlinson, having successfully set fire to his damaged a/c made his way towards Allied lines and eventually reached Norrent Fontés. He was back in England within 30 hours, his second escape from the Continent in a week. Page 197 17th May 1940 Tomlinson claimed a Ju87 Page 198 17th May 1940 1630 - P3277 -17 Sqn Sqn Ldr G.C.Tomlinson Stalled and force landed South of Brussels in combat with Ju87's of IV(St)/LG1; pilot slightly injured, returned. Again no mention of N2454. RAF Victory Claims by J Foreman page32 11th May 1940 17 Sqn Hurr FC S/L G.C.Tomlinson Bf109 destroyed N.Rotterdam 17.00 hrs. page 45 17th May 1940 17 Sqn Hurr FC S/L G.C.Tomlinson Ju87 destroyed Brussels 17.00 hrs. Hope that it is clear now. Sincerely Alex
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29th July 2006, 21:33
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hi Alex,
Apologies for misinterpreting your comments! Your details on Sqn Ldr Tomlinson's landing on May 11 are all correct, except for the location which was I mentioned Hingene (at that moment occupied by the belgian escadrille 1/I/1, see e.g. Avions HS18 by Peter Taghon, p12). So that was the N2547. Remaining question is then where this N2454 comes from. I don't have any sources mentioning No 17 Sqn activities over Belgium before May 17, when this squadron also started to participate in the daily channel crossing scheme of RAF squadrons (see 12 Days in May). And of course the emergency landing of Tomlinson on May 11. So a crash in Belgium would be strange and/or new information. My conclusion: there is at least a certain degree of mix-up of this N2454 and the landing of Tomlinson's N2457 at Hingene. There is no other report of a Hurricane landing at Hingene, and 2 of these landings happening at Hingene would be a large coincidence. Still, does not explain what happened to the N2454. Who has details? Pieter
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29th July 2006, 23:01
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hello all,
ORB 17 Sqdn states that on 11 May 40 sqdn received orders to patrol the Hague and Rotterdam. At 1500 hours 12 aircraft took off. S/L Tomlinson, F/Lt Donne, P/O Slee, P/O Hulton-Harrop and Sgt Luck failed to return. - later it was reported that S/L Tomlinson was safe. He had force landed this aircraft (badly shot) at Hengene aerodrome in Belgium. He had sustained a slight injury in the action. In the air combats 17 Sqdn claimed: 3 Me 109's and 2 He 126's. Alas I do not have any futher details on 17 sqdn relating May 40. Best wishes Rob
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30th July 2006, 14:40
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hi,
17 N2407 Hulton-Harrop "YB-N" POW 17 N2403 F/Lt.M.S.Donne near Ypres KIA 17 P2758 Sgt. J.A.A.Luck POW 17 N2547 S/Ldr G.C.Tomlinson safe/evaded Others this day 11th May 1 L1685 F/O P.H.M.Richey safe 17 N2405 P/O G.W. Slee "YB-Y" KIA 73 P2811 P/O A. McFadden (a/c hidden in shed) f/l at Poilcourt safe 73 P2813 S/Ldr J.W.C/More a/c "H" damaged safe. BUT Lost on the 14th with P/O V.D.M.Roe KIA Namur 79 L2068 F/L R. Edwards Baled injured 79 L2049 P/O L. Appleton f/l LeTouquet safe 85 N2388 F/L R.H.A.Lee "VY-R" safe 85 P2701 S/D Belgium, but returned. Lost 18th with F/O D.H.Allen KIA. 85 L1979 P/O. J.A.Hemmingway "VY-X" or "Y" safe 87 ????? Sgt. G.L. Nowell safe 607 P2573 P/O P.Dixon "AF-A" destroyed on ground safe 607 P2571 P/O T.D.Jay "AF-G" wounded 607 P2574 F/O R.F.Weatherill f/ld "AF-F" safe. But this was 10th. Others lost were in a 271 Sqn Bombay L5183 Béthenville F/O. A.C.J.Percy KIA Sgt. W.H.Whitfield KIA Sgt. H.J.Barnwell KIA P/O. B.L.Duckenfield injured P/O B.J.R.Brady injured Sgt.D.B.Crabtree injured Sgt.H.C.Adams injured Alex Last edited by Alex Smart; 30th July 2006 at 15:17.
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30th July 2006, 14:53
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hi,
re claims From Victory Claims of WW2 vol 1 by J. Foreman 17 Sqn Hurr FC S/L. G.C.Tomlinson Bf109 destroyed N.Rotterdam 17.00 Sgt. A. F. Pavey Bf109 destroyed N.Rotterdam 17.00 F/O. R.V.Meredith Bf109 destroyed 15m S. The Hague 17.00 F/O R.C.Whittaker Bf109 unconfirmed N.Rotterdam 17.00 F/O. J.Jeffries Hs126 destroyed Delft-Hague 17.00 Sgt. N.R.Wynn Hs126 destroyed Delft-Hague 17.00 F/L. W.A.Toyne Bf109 unconfirmed Delft-Hague 17.00 Alex
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30th July 2006, 15:01
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Re: RAF Losses above Belgium betw.May 10 and May 28,1940.
Hello Rob,
What have you of the ORB for the 13th May ? That is when N2454 of 17 Sqn is reported as lost.Along with N3403,N2405 and N2407 . According to FCL vol 1. N2405 and 7 seen already to have been lost on the 11th while N3403 had a longer life and ended up as a Defiant ?? I think it is a missprint and meant to have been N2403 of F/L Donne lost on the 11th. Alex
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