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Re: Article using Luftwaffe wartime reconnaisance imagery of battle of Kursk drives media attention
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It is not a good idea to refer to Wikipedia as a source, in most cases. In this instance, the source cited is Christer Bergström's short book on the battle of Kursk published in 2007, which provides a good summary of German operations, though of course it suffers from the fact that only fragments of documents from the Russian side are available to researchers, even now. Christer made a minor error in the quoted extract, the Fw 190s did not have 30 mm cannon at this time, of course. The Hs 129s did have such cannon, and the newer MK 103 cannon was first used during the battle of Kursk. One would have to conduct a detailed survey of the available German and Soviet primary sources to understand the course of air operations over Prokhorovka on 12 July. What is readily available is the general summary of Luftwaffe sorties on that day, on Pawel Burchard's excellent website, see http://www.yogysoft.de/pawel/_kursk/tagesmld/120743.htm Note that many more strike sorties were flown in the northern sector of the Kursk salient, by Luftflotte 6, than in the southern. This was because of the Soviet offensive against the northern flank of the Orel bulge, which I have mentioned above. Kind regards, Dan
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Russia's state television has turned this into an occasion for some ridiculous propaganda: "German Revisionists Want to Dismantle WWII Memorial Commemorating Tank Battle of Prokhorovka!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-HQjMNF1EI It would be much more interesting and substantive to discuss Luftwaffe operations on this day. It is interesting that while Luftflotte 4 reported several losses of Hs 129s and Fw 190s to anti-aircraft fire, not a single loss to enemy aircraft was reported on this day. One might suggest that German reports are not necessarily authoritative, but it is an interesting contrast that Lutflotte 6 did report losses in air combat on 12 July. Regards, Dan
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There is nothing hypocritical about thousands of soldiers who laid their lives in defence of their homeland. The monument acknowledges that fact. The so-called basic principle of free speech went too far this time. No country in the world would tolerate such article, and I do not see why should Russia. Last edited by sidney; 12th July 2019 at 21:14. |
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Thank you, Dan. But your reply is exactly why I did it. Sometimes, quoting Wikipedia is the only way to get the experts talking! ;-) |
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And sometimes it just winds people up for no good reason. If you want the views of "the experts" it's usually simpler just to ask. |
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It's even ended up on the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48963295
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Russia takes aim at Battle of Kursk ‘failure’ Tom Parfitt, Moscow https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...lure-kzw3trfqz "Vladimir Medinsky, the culture minister, likened Ben Wheatley’s assertion to those of Nazi generals trying to twist facts about the war in their memoirs." "Mr Medinsky said that it was an attempt to rewrite history by “political propagandists in the West”." Kind regards, Dan
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And if quoting the information in Wikipedia, "winds people up" THAT ALONE is reason enough to do it. Right? And also, I was just being polite. Bronc |
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