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Old 7th August 2019, 20:50
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Re: Aircraft that did not quite produce a full top ace

Pegg just published a revised edition of his book. Check out the Books sub-forum.
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Old 8th August 2019, 13:10
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Re: Aircraft that did not quite produce a full top ace

Brian Cull's book "Fighters over the Aegean" has a number of incidences recorded of combat between Beaufighters and Arado 196's. The Arados were successful on quite a few occasions.
I am aware also that the Arados also caused some concern to RAF Coastal Command Whitleys and a RN Submarine (HMS Seal).


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Old 8th August 2019, 18:56
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Re: Aircraft that did not quite produce a full top ace

I suppose the Beaufighters were torpedo bombers ?

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Old 9th August 2019, 11:59
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Re: Aircraft that did not quite produce a full top ace

Not generally torpedo bombers, from memory they were RAF or SAAF Beaufighters on coastal patrol, fighter sweep or bomb/rocket strike.


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Old 9th August 2019, 19:11
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Re: Aircraft that did not quite produce a full top ace

This seems to be a bold deed, as the Beaufighter is much faster and more heavily armed than the Arado Ar 196.

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Old 10th August 2019, 06:15
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Re: Aircraft that did not quite produce a full top ace

Beaufighter losses to Ar196 (Appendix I - Fighters over the Aegean):

17-Sep-43 252 Sqn V8335

29-Oct-43 47 Sqn JM225

6-Nov-43 47 Sqn LX998

27-Jan-44 603 Sqn LZ144

22-Feb-44 227 Sqn X8103

1-Jun-44 227 Sqn JM235

1-Jun-44 603 Sqn LZ517 (shared with flak)

1-Jun-44 16SAAF NE641

17-Jun-44 16SAAF NExxx (shared with flak)

Here's an oddity for you - a Beaufighter shot down from return fire of a Ju52:
30-Aug-44 603 Sqn NV213

If you compare straight performance statistics between Beaufighter and Ar196, the Beau wins hands down. However, remember that combat is not a comparison sheet. The Beau has good low-level speed, but in a shipping srtike wouldn't be going flat-out top speed on the way in to target. Down low, the Arado was very nimble. If the Arado takes the Beau by surprise or the Beau's crew is over-confident and underestimates the floatplane result is not so sure. As for the benefits of the Beau's heavy armament....well RAF crews were supposed to be lousy shots in general. Air-to-air marksmanship was not as heavily drilled in the Commonwealth as for the USN/USMC or USAAF training.


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Re: Aircraft that did not quite produce a full top ace

Good evening Geoff,

that's a cool list.
Do you know any of the claimants ?

I wish you a good Saturday,

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